1990 Martin D 35-P Soundhole and neck joint damage - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T09:54:43Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/1990-martin-d-35p-soundhole?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A60413&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFrank,
In the repair of the…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-25:2177249:Comment:604702011-06-25T09:00:46.946ZMagnus Hultinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MagnusHultin
<p>Frank,</p>
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<p>In the repair of the D-45, did You have to reglue any joints in the upper forward area of the neckblock, like the "sides-to-kerfed-lining-to-top"? or the neckblock to the sides on each side of the neck...?</p>
<p>It seems lik there would be a number of gluejoints going apart in a distortion like this.</p>
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<p>I have an up-class 70:s Levin which will need a similar treatment.</p>
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<p>Magnus</p>
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<p>Frank,</p>
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<p>In the repair of the D-45, did You have to reglue any joints in the upper forward area of the neckblock, like the "sides-to-kerfed-lining-to-top"? or the neckblock to the sides on each side of the neck...?</p>
<p>It seems lik there would be a number of gluejoints going apart in a distortion like this.</p>
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<p>I have an up-class 70:s Levin which will need a similar treatment.</p>
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<p>Magnus</p>
<p> </p> No, it's primarily a heat thi…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-25:2177249:Comment:605262011-06-25T06:48:22.375ZFrank Fordhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/FrankFord
<p>No, it's primarily a heat thing, where the top shrinks and the tension is resolved by the top cracking. The forward collapse is a result of string tension and glue releasing from the transverse braces at the elevated temperature.</p>
<p>Footed neck blocks do not improve that situation, and are of little effectiveness in the very long haul of string tension deforming the entire body to the point that resetting the neck is indicated.</p>
<p>No, it's primarily a heat thing, where the top shrinks and the tension is resolved by the top cracking. The forward collapse is a result of string tension and glue releasing from the transverse braces at the elevated temperature.</p>
<p>Footed neck blocks do not improve that situation, and are of little effectiveness in the very long haul of string tension deforming the entire body to the point that resetting the neck is indicated.</p> Is that damage usually done b…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-25:2177249:Comment:604672011-06-25T05:58:26.704ZDoug Thttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/DougT
Is that damage usually done by a strike on the end of the head? Wouldn't Martin (and other makers) avoid this type of damage by using a footed block (not to mention neck angle issues later in life)?
Is that damage usually done by a strike on the end of the head? Wouldn't Martin (and other makers) avoid this type of damage by using a footed block (not to mention neck angle issues later in life)? http://www.frets.com/FRETSPag…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-24:2177249:Comment:605962011-06-24T14:56:34.655ZDavehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Dave
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<p>Scroll down the page...</p> Thanks,
I have that.. that I…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-23:2177249:Comment:605822011-06-23T11:43:02.801ZAlfonse Paganohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AlfonsePagano
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>I have that.. that I am looking for is an index or something of the sort that could direct me to other thumbnail articles , that is if in fact an index exsists.</p>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>I have that.. that I am looking for is an index or something of the sort that could direct me to other thumbnail articles , that is if in fact an index exsists.</p>
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<p> </p> Here you go, I knew where to…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-23:2177249:Comment:604472011-06-23T11:34:11.488ZGrahame Myershttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GrahameMyers
<p>Here you go, I knew where to look after doing a similar job on a Takamine:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Structural/Cracks/D45FBTopCrack/d45fbtopcrack.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Structural/Cracks/D45FBTopCrack/d45fbtopcrack.html</a></p>
<p>Have fun with it, but take it slooooowly!</p>
<p>Here you go, I knew where to look after doing a similar job on a Takamine:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Structural/Cracks/D45FBTopCrack/d45fbtopcrack.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Structural/Cracks/D45FBTopCrack/d45fbtopcrack.html</a></p>
<p>Have fun with it, but take it slooooowly!</p> Frank,
Could you send me a li…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-23:2177249:Comment:601672011-06-23T10:41:49.680ZAlfonse Paganohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AlfonsePagano
<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Could you send me a link for the index of the above thumbnail article?</p>
<p>I poked arounf Frets.com a bit with little luck.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Alfonse</p>
<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Could you send me a link for the index of the above thumbnail article?</p>
<p>I poked arounf Frets.com a bit with little luck.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Alfonse</p> I repaired a Takamine 12-Stri…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-21:2177249:Comment:604202011-06-21T20:07:14.847ZGrahame Myershttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GrahameMyers
<p>I repaired a Takamine 12-String not long ago using Franks method. It was my first time with a job like this, and I only had the nerve to take it on after reading Franks excellent tutorial. It's a lot of work, and you need a lot of patience: I had to leave it clamped down for two weeks before it was aligned again. But it's definitely doable as long as you take your time and work carefully. I'd take on a job like this again any time (but maybe charge more the next time, I took a whacking with…</p>
<p>I repaired a Takamine 12-String not long ago using Franks method. It was my first time with a job like this, and I only had the nerve to take it on after reading Franks excellent tutorial. It's a lot of work, and you need a lot of patience: I had to leave it clamped down for two weeks before it was aligned again. But it's definitely doable as long as you take your time and work carefully. I'd take on a job like this again any time (but maybe charge more the next time, I took a whacking with the Takamine: I seriously underestimated how long it would take. You live and learn :-)</p>
<p> </p> Wow!
actually looks like fun,…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-21:2177249:Comment:604162011-06-21T16:14:51.842ZAlfonse Paganohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AlfonsePagano
<p>Wow!</p>
<p>actually looks like fun, one question...</p>
<p>Is this clampling of the neck what brought the soundhole and binding back into position?</p>
<p>see below from that post:</p>
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<p>Thanks for your input</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Once those braces were out, I put a small pad under the neck block, and clamped the end block to the edge of my workbench. Then, I applied clamping pressure at the peghead end of the neck until the top sections were drawn into correct…</strong></p>
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<p>Wow!</p>
<p>actually looks like fun, one question...</p>
<p>Is this clampling of the neck what brought the soundhole and binding back into position?</p>
<p>see below from that post:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thanks for your input</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Once those braces were out, I put a small pad under the neck block, and clamped the end block to the edge of my workbench. Then, I applied clamping pressure at the peghead end of the neck until the top sections were drawn into correct alignment.</strong></p>
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</blockquote> It doesn't get much worse th…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-06-21:2177249:Comment:604132011-06-21T15:20:46.011ZFrank Fordhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/FrankFord
<p>It doesn't get much worse than that! it IS a big deal structurally, and it MUST be fixed properly. Even then, I'd downgrade the value of the guitar by a LOT, depending on the cosmetics and geometry of the repair.</p>
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<p>Here's the full deal on that repair:</p>
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<p>It doesn't get much worse than that! it IS a big deal structurally, and it MUST be fixed properly. Even then, I'd downgrade the value of the guitar by a LOT, depending on the cosmetics and geometry of the repair.</p>
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<p>Here's the full deal on that repair:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Structural/Cracks/D45FBTopCrack/d45fbtopcrack.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/Structural/Cracks/D45FBTopCrack/d45fbtopcrack.html</a></p>