Aria 12-string... Destined for the scrap heap? - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T18:22:46Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/aria-12-string-destined-for-the-scrap-heap?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A175591&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noModern glue, laminate wood an…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-28:2177249:Comment:1755912017-11-28T23:15:52.893ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Modern glue, laminate wood and plastic lacquer may make a nice looking guitars. But I consider them disposable products like so many other things are nowadays. I wish quality was as important as the price...<br/><br/>Plastic lacquer kills the tone in otherwise decent guitars with good solid woods. What a waste!</p>
<p>Modern glue, laminate wood and plastic lacquer may make a nice looking guitars. But I consider them disposable products like so many other things are nowadays. I wish quality was as important as the price...<br/><br/>Plastic lacquer kills the tone in otherwise decent guitars with good solid woods. What a waste!</p> Hi Larry, hi All,
An outsider…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-28:2177249:Comment:1751822017-11-28T13:47:54.769ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Larry, hi All,</p>
<p>An outsider would think this "blanket beating" of a guitar is a little over the top - I recall a previous thread that dealt with this style of guitar and having used half the worlds supply of carbon fibre and all our resources to fix one of these things I can only say that time has a way of validating the forum position.</p>
<p>So, how do we stand with the raft of Chinese/Korean sausage factory guitars that are lining up to be the next generation of repairers…</p>
<p>Hi Larry, hi All,</p>
<p>An outsider would think this "blanket beating" of a guitar is a little over the top - I recall a previous thread that dealt with this style of guitar and having used half the worlds supply of carbon fibre and all our resources to fix one of these things I can only say that time has a way of validating the forum position.</p>
<p>So, how do we stand with the raft of Chinese/Korean sausage factory guitars that are lining up to be the next generation of repairers nightmares. What I am seeing across the bench lately is a game changer: Beautiful looking instruments, great finishes, but made of such poor material as to be hardly fit for firewood, The price structure of these instruments will no doubt deliver a death blow to many of the middle order makers and businesses that try to compete and by the time the "scam" is fully revealed it will be too late for the quality makers forced out of business.</p>
<p>However, I suspect I am preaching to the converted, We provide firm guidance to our customers these days regarding the need to buy quality - not necessarily our guitars, but any guitar that will be suitable for passing down to the next generation as opposed to passing into the fireplace.</p>
<p>Regards. Rusty. </p>
<p></p> Not looking good. If it's dum…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-28:2177249:Comment:1750822017-11-28T00:22:32.540ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Not looking good. If it's dumpster time, save all the loose usable vintage parts. If it's solid wood somewhere it will get useful for repairs, aged bindings can be useful too :-)</p>
<p>Not looking good. If it's dumpster time, save all the loose usable vintage parts. If it's solid wood somewhere it will get useful for repairs, aged bindings can be useful too :-)</p> Dumpster time.
Made in Ital…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-28:2177249:Comment:1747852017-11-28T00:15:38.969ZLARRY KLOSEhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LARRYKLOSE
<p>Dumpster time. </p>
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<p>Made in Italy? It looks a little like an EKO that I bought in Italy in 1967 when I was away from home and needed a guitar, cheap. Same neck attachment but sounded like a plank (and not Les Paul's Plank). It held together for a number of years and I played it occasionally never disturbing the neighbors because it was't loud enough. Around '89 most of the tuner buttons cracked and fell off. I put a couple of sets of Schaller Mini's on it and kept it a little…</p>
<p>Dumpster time. </p>
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<p>Made in Italy? It looks a little like an EKO that I bought in Italy in 1967 when I was away from home and needed a guitar, cheap. Same neck attachment but sounded like a plank (and not Les Paul's Plank). It held together for a number of years and I played it occasionally never disturbing the neighbors because it was't loud enough. Around '89 most of the tuner buttons cracked and fell off. I put a couple of sets of Schaller Mini's on it and kept it a little longer. The bridge then pulled off, even though it was also bolted on. Got that re-glued and re-bolted. 3 or 4 years later, the re-glued bridge stayed glued but the laminated top delaminated. I was using a much more qualified repairman by then and he and I agreed that it was toast. It should have been totaled before the tuner buttons died. We removed the tuners and he graciously deposited the guitar in his dumpster. I traded the tuners to him for some work needed on another guitar I had--a guitar worth saving.</p>
<p>I learned a lot but it took some tries.</p>
<p>Larry</p> Yep - don't even think about…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-27:2177249:Comment:1749822017-11-27T20:05:33.340ZMark McLeanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkMcLean
<p>Yep - don't even think about it. Tell him to buy a Seagull</p>
<p>Yep - don't even think about it. Tell him to buy a Seagull</p> Yeah, the picture is starting…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-27:2177249:Comment:1748822017-11-27T15:32:29.789ZMike Kolbhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
<p>Yeah, the picture is starting to become clear on what to do with this thing! Many thanks for chiming-in and confirming what I'd suspected from the start.</p>
<p>I'll let the owner know that the amount of money necessary for repairs would be better spent in shopping for a decent newer 12-string... and everybody will be happier in the long run. Thanks again.</p>
<p>Yeah, the picture is starting to become clear on what to do with this thing! Many thanks for chiming-in and confirming what I'd suspected from the start.</p>
<p>I'll let the owner know that the amount of money necessary for repairs would be better spent in shopping for a decent newer 12-string... and everybody will be happier in the long run. Thanks again.</p> "You can't polish a turd."
Oh…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-27:2177249:Comment:1747822017-11-27T15:26:38.545ZPaul Breenhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulBreen
<p>"<span>You can't polish a turd."</span></p>
<p><span>Oh?</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/polished-turds/" target="_blank">http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/polished-turds/</a></p>
<p>"<span>You can't polish a turd."</span></p>
<p><span>Oh?</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/polished-turds/" target="_blank">http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/polished-turds/</a></p> These were disposable guitar…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-27:2177249:Comment:1745552017-11-27T06:58:53.475ZKerry Krishnahttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/KerryKrishna
<p> These were disposable guitars right from the get go. After working on 3 or 4, I stopped accepting them for repair. I'd hand it back to the customer and be done with it before you start.</p>
<p>You can't polish a turd.</p>
<p> These were disposable guitars right from the get go. After working on 3 or 4, I stopped accepting them for repair. I'd hand it back to the customer and be done with it before you start.</p>
<p>You can't polish a turd.</p> This joint design is not wort…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-27:2177249:Comment:1747252017-11-27T02:41:42.910ZThomas Jameshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ThomasJames
This joint design is not worth repairing in a time vs money world. I agree with wall hanger status.
This joint design is not worth repairing in a time vs money world. I agree with wall hanger status. You can take the neck out and…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-11-27:2177249:Comment:1745522017-11-27T01:51:10.477ZLen Biglinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LenBiglin
<p>You can take the neck out and get epoxy in the gap around the block , then clamp it back where it should be . Its an unrewarding job on a crap guitar however . Id hang it on a wall .</p>
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<p>You can take the neck out and get epoxy in the gap around the block , then clamp it back where it should be . Its an unrewarding job on a crap guitar however . Id hang it on a wall .</p>
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