"Backset" AC saddle? - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T22:16:25Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/backset-ac-saddle?feed=yes&xn_auth=noGreg, my idea is good only if…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-23:2177249:Comment:164012009-07-23T16:28:54.232ZAntonio Cotichinihttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AntonioCotichini
Greg, my idea is good only if there's access under the sound-board. I don't remember if the chambered body allows you to reach the bridge reinforcement. That's why I had the doubt I said a stupid thing.<br />
If there's room in that zone, then you can install a piezo contact pu as the KK Sound System. Visit their site, they produce a number of models for any purpose and any instrument. In the case, you can take away the ribbon, set a good enlarged compensated saddle and combine the new pu with the…
Greg, my idea is good only if there's access under the sound-board. I don't remember if the chambered body allows you to reach the bridge reinforcement. That's why I had the doubt I said a stupid thing.<br />
If there's room in that zone, then you can install a piezo contact pu as the KK Sound System. Visit their site, they produce a number of models for any purpose and any instrument. In the case, you can take away the ribbon, set a good enlarged compensated saddle and combine the new pu with the air mic.<br />
I'm a fan of KK Pure Western that I installed on many guitars as in my personal four.<br />
I really hope you can resolve. Let me know.<br />
Obviously the acoustic sound has improved, after the job you did, but tell me honestly how can you look at the dentured bridge without sunglasses (very dark)!!!!<br />
Antonio Antonio,
It's a good idea. M…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-23:2177249:Comment:163832009-07-23T05:45:31.491ZGreg Smithhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregSmith
Antonio,<br />
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It's a good idea. My Godin, which is over 15 years old, has an early-version Baggs Duet system -- an in-body air mic plus the transducer ribbon. But no phase switch :-(<br />
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So if I go with your idea, I'll want to figure out how to get the Baggs ribbon-wiring out of the way and the K&K piezo wiring in its place. And because the old Baggs system has no phase switch, maybe I'll want to think about how to work in one of those as well.<br />
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With my "denture" saddles, the sound produced by the…
Antonio,<br />
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It's a good idea. My Godin, which is over 15 years old, has an early-version Baggs Duet system -- an in-body air mic plus the transducer ribbon. But no phase switch :-(<br />
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So if I go with your idea, I'll want to figure out how to get the Baggs ribbon-wiring out of the way and the K&K piezo wiring in its place. And because the old Baggs system has no phase switch, maybe I'll want to think about how to work in one of those as well.<br />
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With my "denture" saddles, the sound produced by the Baggs ribbon is uneven, just as you predicted. The G string sounds much, much stronger than the others.<br />
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I've been hoping that with a little more shaping of the saddle pieces I could even out the sound. But the other day I read, in Dan Erlewine's guitar-repair book, that a two-piece saddle, seated on a single ribbon, will have phasing problems. I'd never thought of that. If a two-piece saddle can cause phasing, think what a six-piece saddle might do!<br />
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(I have to say, though, that the guitar sounds much more alive, unplugged, than it did before I gave it dentures.)<br />
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So now I'm thinking hard about phasing. If I do as you suggest, I can avoid the phasing caused by 6 little saddles on one ribbon. But I'll still have to consider how to avoid phasing between the Baggs air mic and the K&K piezos.<br />
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Thinking, thinking, thinking ;-)<br />
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Thanks for your suggestion. I'd never heard of K&K before. Cheers.<br />
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Greg Sorry, disregard my last post…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-23:2177249:Comment:163822009-07-23T05:16:30.243ZAntonio Cotichinihttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AntonioCotichini
Sorry, disregard my last post. I was focused on the problem and forgot the kind of guitar.
Sorry, disregard my last post. I was focused on the problem and forgot the kind of guitar. Greg, did you consider to cha…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-22:2177249:Comment:163732009-07-22T21:36:54.281ZAntonio Cotichinihttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AntonioCotichini
Greg, did you consider to change the under-saddle transducer with a different kind of piezo (as the KK Pure Western)? This way allows you to enlarge the saddle to have room for good intonation.
Greg, did you consider to change the under-saddle transducer with a different kind of piezo (as the KK Pure Western)? This way allows you to enlarge the saddle to have room for good intonation. Send it to Godin . They shoul…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-19:2177249:Comment:163102009-07-19T21:55:55.165ZTim Macehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TimMace
Send it to Godin . They should be responsible enough to correct an ill manufactured saddle .
Send it to Godin . They should be responsible enough to correct an ill manufactured saddle . I thought about widening the…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-19:2177249:Comment:162902009-07-19T16:27:51.818ZGreg Smithhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregSmith
I thought about widening the slot and putting in a fatter saddle But even that approach would produce a less-than-optimal pressure on the transducer ribbon unless it were moved over to be in the center of the slot, lengthwise. And that would take me into really virgin territory, as a DIYer.<br />
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I know I could just grit my teeth and take it to a pro repairperson. The nearest one is just down the street from me, but I'm not happy with the saddle-work he did on one of my steel-strings.<br />
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I'm lucky…
I thought about widening the slot and putting in a fatter saddle But even that approach would produce a less-than-optimal pressure on the transducer ribbon unless it were moved over to be in the center of the slot, lengthwise. And that would take me into really virgin territory, as a DIYer.<br />
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I know I could just grit my teeth and take it to a pro repairperson. The nearest one is just down the street from me, but I'm not happy with the saddle-work he did on one of my steel-strings.<br />
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I'm lucky enough to live just a few miles away from Gryphon, where Frank Ford works. He's not cheap, but he does magnificent work. I would be embarrassed to take a Godin to him (Gryphon sells Rick Turner Renaissance guitars there, and they're the real thing.) Right now I'm saving my pennies to have him reshape the headstock on this one-of-a-kind beauty:<br />
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<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/dansereal/11CourseLutar#">http://picasaweb.google.com/dansereal/11CourseLutar#</a><br />
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Greg Thanks. We'll find out how it…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-19:2177249:Comment:162882009-07-19T16:09:49.358ZGreg Smithhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregSmith
Thanks. We'll find out how it sounds plugged soon. Under-saddle pickups aren't very nice-sounding to begin with, and they need a lot of post-processing no matter what. I did a lot of thinking about this, and I shaped the pieces so they wouldn't simply torque around the back edge of the saddle slot, in which case there would be no downward pressure at all. It's true that what downward pressure there is will be concentrated on the front part of the pickup ribbon.
Thanks. We'll find out how it sounds plugged soon. Under-saddle pickups aren't very nice-sounding to begin with, and they need a lot of post-processing no matter what. I did a lot of thinking about this, and I shaped the pieces so they wouldn't simply torque around the back edge of the saddle slot, in which case there would be no downward pressure at all. It's true that what downward pressure there is will be concentrated on the front part of the pickup ribbon. Yes, it's the simplest (if no…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-19:2177249:Comment:162862009-07-19T14:31:17.716ZAntonio Cotichinihttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AntonioCotichini
Yes, it's the simplest (if not only) way I'd go for. It's not an expensive work. You should do it by yourself with a Dremel, the right size milling cutter, a template and... a lot of attention.
Yes, it's the simplest (if not only) way I'd go for. It's not an expensive work. You should do it by yourself with a Dremel, the right size milling cutter, a template and... a lot of attention. I'd be tempted to widen the s…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-19:2177249:Comment:162832009-07-19T11:36:20.130ZTim Macehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TimMace
I'd be tempted to widen the slot,stick in fatter bone and compensate.
I'd be tempted to widen the slot,stick in fatter bone and compensate. It's horrible ! Seems a guita…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-19:2177249:Comment:162812009-07-19T08:49:14.099ZAntonio Cotichinihttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AntonioCotichini
It's horrible ! Seems a guitar with a denture ! But my doubt is: how can the string press the saddle-piece AND the piezo pick-up correctly? The pressure isn't perpendicular, the nylon strings aren't the best for tension and pressure... I can't imagine the tone of the guitar when plugged!
It's horrible ! Seems a guitar with a denture ! But my doubt is: how can the string press the saddle-piece AND the piezo pick-up correctly? The pressure isn't perpendicular, the nylon strings aren't the best for tension and pressure... I can't imagine the tone of the guitar when plugged!