Blackening Wood Strips for Purfling? - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T08:47:29Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/blackening-wood-strips-for-purfling?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis is turning out to be tri…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-05-01:2177249:Comment:2841692022-05-01T12:44:17.910ZMark McLeanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkMcLean
<p>This is turning out to be tricky. Maybe time to take the easy option with black fibre sheets from StewMac or LMI? Different thicknesses available and perfectly black all the way through. Not cheating at all. </p>
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<p>This is turning out to be tricky. Maybe time to take the easy option with black fibre sheets from StewMac or LMI? Different thicknesses available and perfectly black all the way through. Not cheating at all. </p>
<p></p> Hi again, just tried the Colo…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-26:2177249:Comment:2842482022-04-26T22:59:35.532ZTaffy Evanshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi again, just tried the Colortone black stain. Same result. I tried full strength and also soaked the maple in water thinking it would take the stain in further, but no.</p>
<p>I originally thought of Ebony. If you don't have any suitable I would buy a length of Ebony binding and rework it. </p>
<p>Taff</p>
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<p>Hi again, just tried the Colortone black stain. Same result. I tried full strength and also soaked the maple in water thinking it would take the stain in further, but no.</p>
<p>I originally thought of Ebony. If you don't have any suitable I would buy a length of Ebony binding and rework it. </p>
<p>Taff</p>
<p></p> Hi Mark, if the leather stain…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-26:2177249:Comment:2844122022-04-26T20:41:22.974ZTaffy Evanshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Mark, if the leather stain will not cut it, I would try this. <br></br><br></br>Layer up your laminations on a form with the radius of the area being worked on out of solid scrap timber.</p>
<p>Rout a channel the size of the one in the guitar.</p>
<p>when the laminations are bent to the correct curve and levelled down to a whisker of where they need to be, then stain them. <br></br>And glue them up.</p>
<p>Hopefully the amount of finessing left on the actual guitar will not effect the depth of…</p>
<p>Hi Mark, if the leather stain will not cut it, I would try this. <br/><br/>Layer up your laminations on a form with the radius of the area being worked on out of solid scrap timber.</p>
<p>Rout a channel the size of the one in the guitar.</p>
<p>when the laminations are bent to the correct curve and levelled down to a whisker of where they need to be, then stain them. <br/>And glue them up.</p>
<p>Hopefully the amount of finessing left on the actual guitar will not effect the depth of colour.</p>
<p>I would say you know by now how deep the stain is penetrating.</p>
<p>I use Colortone stain from Stumac, but not on a purfling strip.</p>
<p>cheers Taff</p> Ebony wood?tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2842402022-04-25T22:26:50.498ZThomas Jameshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ThomasJames
Ebony wood?
Ebony wood? Perhaps I am doing something…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2844112022-04-25T20:40:00.106ZMarkhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Mark793
<p>Perhaps I am doing something incorrect.</p>
<p>I have a series of six wooden strips, about 5"X3/4"X0.015"</p>
<p>I glue them in a stack alternately Bl Wh Bl Wh Bl Wh.</p>
<p>Then I run through the bandsaw to get a smaller stacked piece about 5"X1/8"X0.09"</p>
<p>the plan is to then bend and glue it in place, bringing the top edge down to the level of the soundboard with scrapers etc..and add a binding strip outside of it.</p>
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<p>All this cutting and scraping exposes the 'inside' of…</p>
<p>Perhaps I am doing something incorrect.</p>
<p>I have a series of six wooden strips, about 5"X3/4"X0.015"</p>
<p>I glue them in a stack alternately Bl Wh Bl Wh Bl Wh.</p>
<p>Then I run through the bandsaw to get a smaller stacked piece about 5"X1/8"X0.09"</p>
<p>the plan is to then bend and glue it in place, bringing the top edge down to the level of the soundboard with scrapers etc..and add a binding strip outside of it.</p>
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<p>All this cutting and scraping exposes the 'inside' of the strips I have coloured black, and I have not been able to get the colour (speedball india ink is blackest I've tried) to fully penetrate the wood thickness (even thought it is only 0.015" thick), I end up with a very thin light 'core' inside the black wood.</p>
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<p>Have not tried mixing the ink with another solvent, might help slow the shellac drying time and increase the depth the colour soaks to before drying.</p>
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<p>Will experiment more.</p>
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<p>Also will try to source some black leather dye as an experiment.</p>
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<p>Thanks again.</p>
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<p>Mark</p>
<p></p> Well, no. I use it as a black…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2842392022-04-25T20:08:15.408ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Well, no. I use it as a black base for black spirit varnish, I don't need it to penetrate deep into the wood.</p>
<p>Well, no. I use it as a black base for black spirit varnish, I don't need it to penetrate deep into the wood.</p> Hi Roger,
I used the Speedba…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2841582022-04-25T19:57:27.494ZMarkhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Mark793
<p>Hi Roger,</p>
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<p>I used the Speedball India Ink with shellac, and gave what I thought was a drenching, but after drying, and cutting the strips into shorter lengths for stacking and glueing, there was still a light band in the centre.</p>
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<p>Do you add alcohol to improve the likelihood of penetration (thought of reprasing that but will let it sit...).</p>
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<p>Mark</p>
<p>Hi Roger,</p>
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<p>I used the Speedball India Ink with shellac, and gave what I thought was a drenching, but after drying, and cutting the strips into shorter lengths for stacking and glueing, there was still a light band in the centre.</p>
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<p>Do you add alcohol to improve the likelihood of penetration (thought of reprasing that but will let it sit...).</p>
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<p>Mark</p> Have not tried leather dye bu…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2842352022-04-25T19:57:05.990ZMarkhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Mark793
<p>Have not tried leather dye but will see if this is available here on amazon and give it a shot, thanks.</p>
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<p>Also appreciate the reminder to use gloves!</p>
<p>Have not tried leather dye but will see if this is available here on amazon and give it a shot, thanks.</p>
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<p>Also appreciate the reminder to use gloves!</p> The best one I've tried is In…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2843232022-04-25T18:44:32.446ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>The best one I've tried is Indian Ink, deep black with some shellac added.</p>
<p>The best one I've tried is Indian Ink, deep black with some shellac added.</p> The most penetrating and perm…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2022-04-25:2177249:Comment:2841552022-04-25T17:24:15.897ZMike Kolbhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
<p>The most penetrating and permanent black I've ever gotten on wood is from using this leather dye. It's pretty commonly available... oh, and wear disposable gloves!</p>
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<p>The most penetrating and permanent black I've ever gotten on wood is from using this leather dye. It's pretty commonly available... oh, and wear disposable gloves!</p>
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