Bridge pin size and angle - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T20:56:37Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/bridge-pin-size-and-angle?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A183355&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFirst you could put a match s…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-17:2177249:Comment:1835782019-03-17T01:53:43.242ZRon Frazierhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RonFrazier
<p>First you could put a match stuck in the hole and the pin will not get out! Next your bridge saddle is notched for the strings that is a no no! the string slot shows black tells me the string is not touching the so the string will have a buzzing sound . Up grade the saddle ! Next is strad could have had supper glue Or titebound I am sure he would used them. The only thing that hide glue is good for is it can be taken apart easily.</p>
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<p>The thing I have heard is the builders used…</p>
<p>First you could put a match stuck in the hole and the pin will not get out! Next your bridge saddle is notched for the strings that is a no no! the string slot shows black tells me the string is not touching the so the string will have a buzzing sound . Up grade the saddle ! Next is strad could have had supper glue Or titebound I am sure he would used them. The only thing that hide glue is good for is it can be taken apart easily.</p>
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<p>The thing I have heard is the builders used to water the hide glue down so when the top shrinks it will not crack the wood but the glue gives loose.</p>
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<p>Dose any one knows why they put rattle snakes rattles in side a violin?</p>
<p>cracks the wood but comes apart. </p>
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<p>I say if it works dont fix it. Leave it alone .</p>
<p>Ron</p> good stuff, especially the id…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-16:2177249:Comment:1836892019-03-16T03:37:16.457ZWalter W Wrighthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WalterWWright
<p>good stuff, especially the ideas of "wallpapering" the holes with thin veneer or de-crushing the wood in there with soldering iron steam heat.</p>
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<p>what's everybody's opinion on 5° vs 3° pins?</p>
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<p>i'm finding that when i repair shredded bridgepin holes, maybe by putting on a thin layer of rosewood underneath and filling up all the gaps with a CA/rosewood dust mortar and/or fitting unslotted pins, that with 5° pins there's a problem with the hole in the bottom not being…</p>
<p>good stuff, especially the ideas of "wallpapering" the holes with thin veneer or de-crushing the wood in there with soldering iron steam heat.</p>
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<p>what's everybody's opinion on 5° vs 3° pins?</p>
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<p>i'm finding that when i repair shredded bridgepin holes, maybe by putting on a thin layer of rosewood underneath and filling up all the gaps with a CA/rosewood dust mortar and/or fitting unslotted pins, that with 5° pins there's a problem with the hole in the bottom not being big enough for the ball to fit through before it's big enough fo the pin to be loose in the hole. the pin just gets too "pointy" at the bottom, it's too small right in the area where it's supposed to be supporting the ball end.</p>
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<p>3° pins seem to be superior here, you get clearance for the string ball to fit through while still having the entire pin fit tightly in the hole.</p>
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<p>hell, cheap ibanez acoustics use <strong>0</strong>° plastic pins where it's a straight cylinder and those actually work very well.</p> The bridge saddle is in despe…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-07:2177249:Comment:1835832019-03-07T08:56:22.347ZPaul Verticchiohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulVerticchio
<p>The bridge saddle is in desperate need of replacement.</p>
<p>Best of luck with your bridge pin solution. </p>
<p>The bridge saddle is in desperate need of replacement.</p>
<p>Best of luck with your bridge pin solution. </p> Gees Roger,
"Am I a vegan or…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-05:2177249:Comment:1832812019-03-05T14:06:44.624ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Gees Roger, </p>
<p><span>"<em>Am I a vegan or a member of PETA? Nope". And there 8 million American Vegans.</em> I already said that. You don't need to answer as you have expressed a desire not to, but at least go back and read what was offered. </span></p>
<p><span>The consumer's right to be informed about what they are buying and where it was sourced is an important part of modern business and marketing ethics and I have no difficulty accepting these responsibilities. This also…</span></p>
<p>Gees Roger, </p>
<p><span>"<em>Am I a vegan or a member of PETA? Nope". And there 8 million American Vegans.</em> I already said that. You don't need to answer as you have expressed a desire not to, but at least go back and read what was offered. </span></p>
<p><span>The consumer's right to be informed about what they are buying and where it was sourced is an important part of modern business and marketing ethics and I have no difficulty accepting these responsibilities. This also goes to such things as the use of elephant ivory etc. These issues were unheard of and ignored in the 1940s however its now 2019 and change has happened. </span></p>
<p><span>Disposable guitars or synthetic based instruments are a permanent part of the industry and enable beginners to get into guitar playing cheaply and then exercise the option to upgrade to a premium instrument should they wish to progress with their playing. Throw away instruments are not a problem - they are cheap and disposable and not designed to be fixed, they serve their purpose and then they are done.</span></p>
<p><span>This evolution is a good thing for mid level, premium makers and boutique makers alike as the cheap entry level guitar has led an increased number of consumers/players through their doors as they seek to upgrade.</span></p>
<p><span>The fact that 50 bucks worth of Asian mystery wood ends up under a bed or in a dumpster is no real loss as wood is a renewable resource. A renewable resource is by definition sustainable if the resource can be replaced at the same rate it is drawn down. The use of common fast growing/abundant timbers and plywood for the manufacture of cheap guitars is not unsustainable nor is the use of petrochemical based glues or finishes. </span></p>
<p><span>A relevant example of sustainability with wood is that the Swedes make up to 925 million matchsticks a day from sustainably grown and harvested wood. Imagine how many guitar soundboards they could make if they were so inclined.</span></p>
<p><span>These are things for consideration.</span></p>
<p><span>Rusty. </span></p>
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<p><span> </span></p> I havent read the thread much…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-05:2177249:Comment:1833552019-03-05T13:48:59.730ZAndrewhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Andrew715
<p>I havent read the thread much so maybe someone has pointed this out, but if those are wood bridge pins, they are likely shrunken and compressed as well. Theres a glue available for furniture repairs than swells the wood and then freezes it in place. I wonder if that would do the trick.</p>
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<p>Edit: looks like Rus pretty much said this. Whoops.</p>
<p>I havent read the thread much so maybe someone has pointed this out, but if those are wood bridge pins, they are likely shrunken and compressed as well. Theres a glue available for furniture repairs than swells the wood and then freezes it in place. I wonder if that would do the trick.</p>
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<p>Edit: looks like Rus pretty much said this. Whoops.</p> You must be a really devoted…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-05:2177249:Comment:1832792019-03-05T09:55:02.997ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>You must be a really devoted vegan to refuse buying a guitar glued with animal glue. Can't be a big percent of all guitar buyers out there.</p>
<p>A bigger problem is the making of throw away instruments that can't be repaired without spending a lot of time and money doing it. Modern glues, plywood and plastic lacquer. That's not sustainable. In the old days with solid woods, animal glue and shellac based lacquers the guitars were made to last and to be easily repaired when it needed to. I…</p>
<p>You must be a really devoted vegan to refuse buying a guitar glued with animal glue. Can't be a big percent of all guitar buyers out there.</p>
<p>A bigger problem is the making of throw away instruments that can't be repaired without spending a lot of time and money doing it. Modern glues, plywood and plastic lacquer. That's not sustainable. In the old days with solid woods, animal glue and shellac based lacquers the guitars were made to last and to be easily repaired when it needed to. I love working with old parlor guitars from before 1940, any wreck can be transformed to a beautiful and good sounding guitar.</p>
<p>The use of endangered wood species is another big problem. The answer to that challenge is not new modern plastic based materials, but other common wood species that can sound and function as good as the old ones.</p>
<p>Love talking about it, but I wont do any more of it in this thread.</p> Indeed Rusty, need to weigh u…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-04:2177249:Comment:1833542019-03-04T18:12:44.187ZPaul Levenshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulLevens
<p>Indeed Rusty, need to weigh up cost or time invested against reward. After retiring (3 years ago) I had to re-learn not to put a $ value on every hour I spend (used to earn a good hourly rate). Now I have that luxury, but when you do this professionally, of course business sense and efficiency are important.</p>
<p>That said; I have lots of time to enjoy tinkering with this fix. I have other guitars to play for now (lucky me!)</p>
<p>Indeed Rusty, need to weigh up cost or time invested against reward. After retiring (3 years ago) I had to re-learn not to put a $ value on every hour I spend (used to earn a good hourly rate). Now I have that luxury, but when you do this professionally, of course business sense and efficiency are important.</p>
<p>That said; I have lots of time to enjoy tinkering with this fix. I have other guitars to play for now (lucky me!)</p> Regarding the dryness; yes Ma…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-04:2177249:Comment:1833532019-03-04T18:01:16.140ZPaul Levenshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulLevens
<p>Regarding the dryness; yes Mark you are right, but everyone here has used, tried, (effed around with!) room hudifiers, house humidifiers and guitar humidifiers. We get static shocks off the carpet in winter! When we have several instruments around each requiring this kind of attention, most of us give up having to enclose each in a humidified case, or constantly de-liming the house device on the heating system. Old or imported furniture and pianos suffer the same hazard. Most of us now…</p>
<p>Regarding the dryness; yes Mark you are right, but everyone here has used, tried, (effed around with!) room hudifiers, house humidifiers and guitar humidifiers. We get static shocks off the carpet in winter! When we have several instruments around each requiring this kind of attention, most of us give up having to enclose each in a humidified case, or constantly de-liming the house device on the heating system. Old or imported furniture and pianos suffer the same hazard. Most of us now have older guitars with some dryness damage - just a fact of life here except for the obsessively diligent!</p>
<p>I see the dryness as more of a problem for my vocal chords when singing to be honest.</p> Hi Mark, ah, not what I was t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-04:2177249:Comment:1832782019-03-04T10:26:42.028ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Mark, ah, not what I was thinking, I gather the bores are oversized for some reason and one in particular has given up first. Without being there on the spot its just a case of talking to the probabilities and eliminating the obvious stuff. Its sometimes not possible to work out how the problem occurred and in that case its just a matter of fixing it. </p>
<p>So, If the theory doesn't fit there is no reason to pursue it.</p>
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<p>Hi Mark, ah, not what I was thinking, I gather the bores are oversized for some reason and one in particular has given up first. Without being there on the spot its just a case of talking to the probabilities and eliminating the obvious stuff. Its sometimes not possible to work out how the problem occurred and in that case its just a matter of fixing it. </p>
<p>So, If the theory doesn't fit there is no reason to pursue it.</p>
<p> . </p> But are the pins wood or plas…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-04:2177249:Comment:1835522019-03-04T09:00:06.536ZMark McLeanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkMcLean
<p>But are the pins wood or plastic? Many Taylors ship with plastic pins, so that theory wouldn't fly in that case</p>
<p>But are the pins wood or plastic? Many Taylors ship with plastic pins, so that theory wouldn't fly in that case</p>