Epiphone Thunderbird Bass Neck issue - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T14:37:47Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/epiphany-thunderbird-bass-neck-issue?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A279212&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Chris, "more than one way…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-05-03:2177249:Comment:2790772021-05-03T22:56:45.821ZTaffy Evanshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Chris, "more than one way to skin a cat", as the saying goes. Well done, glad to help.</p>
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<p>Hi Chris, "more than one way to skin a cat", as the saying goes. Well done, glad to help.</p>
<p>Taff</p> Just a quick follow up for Ta…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-05-03:2177249:Comment:2790762021-05-03T21:33:04.822ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>Just a quick follow up for Taffy. Based on your pics and the Dan Erlewine video, I created a very rough set up of routing jigs and tried my first Carbon Rod inserts. As always, I learned a lot. This one has more than few blemishes, but I epoxied the rods in place so it would fill any gaps and make up for my shortcomings. I also learned the value of setting the jig to control the router from both sides!</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice!…</p>
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<p>Just a quick follow up for Taffy. Based on your pics and the Dan Erlewine video, I created a very rough set up of routing jigs and tried my first Carbon Rod inserts. As always, I learned a lot. This one has more than few blemishes, but I epoxied the rods in place so it would fill any gaps and make up for my shortcomings. I also learned the value of setting the jig to control the router from both sides!</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice!</p>
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<p>Thanks Taffy! Love the pics. I'll be studying on those for sure.</p>
<p>Thanks Taffy! Love the pics. I'll be studying on those for sure.</p> Hi Chris, glad to see you got…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-28:2177249:Comment:2792122021-04-28T00:08:23.438ZTaffy Evanshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hi Chris, glad to see you got that job done. The next one will be easier, and you can charge for it.</p>
<p>Also, I think it's great when somebody gets help from different contributors and then comes back and shows the outcome, thanks for that. Often, on other forums, somebody will get a number of suggestions all seem doable, but the person never comes back to show which path they took.</p>
<p>Here is a way I did some necks in the past that may help you design something for yourself.…</p>
<p>Hi Chris, glad to see you got that job done. The next one will be easier, and you can charge for it.</p>
<p>Also, I think it's great when somebody gets help from different contributors and then comes back and shows the outcome, thanks for that. Often, on other forums, somebody will get a number of suggestions all seem doable, but the person never comes back to show which path they took.</p>
<p>Here is a way I did some necks in the past that may help you design something for yourself. Somebody had put a rod in this neck and it did not work. I had to remove it and re-route for a rod I made myself. Worked fine.<br/><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857570686?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857570686?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a> <br/><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857571460?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857571460?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a><br/><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857575301?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857575301?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857576852?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/8857576852?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a><br/>Cheers Taff</p> I'm glad to say I've finished…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-27:2177249:Comment:2789582021-04-27T02:48:18.725ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>I'm glad to say I've finished up the bass and as Paul Harvey used to say, "Let me tell you ... the rest of the story."</p>
<p>The truss rod arrived from Bitterroot guitars and, as described, was 2 1/2 inches shorter that the original. I had to fill the extra space in the slot and repair a bit of tear out before installing the rod.</p>
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<p> I filled the…</p>
<p>I'm glad to say I've finished up the bass and as Paul Harvey used to say, "Let me tell you ... the rest of the story."</p>
<p>The truss rod arrived from Bitterroot guitars and, as described, was 2 1/2 inches shorter that the original. I had to fill the extra space in the slot and repair a bit of tear out before installing the rod.</p>
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<p> I filled the remaining space in thew slot with 2 layers of mahogany veneer, then glued the fingerboard back making use of the 2 pilot holes I had drilled earlier. I used rubber band strips to clamp the neck and fingerboard. </p>
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<p>After drying overnight, I removed the excess squeeze out and shaved the glue joints to even them up. I colored and drop filled damaged finish from the first repair and the fingerboard removal.</p>
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<p>The neck was given a final french polish overcoat to blend in the repair.</p>
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<p>Getting the color right is always my biggest challenge. I used a touch up lacquer pen then over coated with garnet shellac. If this had been a paying repair, I would have take more care with that. Once the neck was back as it should have been, I removed the 2 cardboard shims under the neck and re-bolted it in it's original position. I had to cut a new bone nut and re-set the bridge which had been raised to an extreme angle, but once everything was set up correctly and the bass was intonated, it played quite nicely. It did throw me one last insult, though, when I strung it up, the A string tuner was broken. Another is on the way.</p>
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<p>All in all, this project was a challenge, but it worked out great. The instrument is back in use and playing well and I learned a ton in the process. My next project will be to figure out a routing jig to cut slots for carbon fibre rods in vintage guitar necks!</p> Hi Carl, Thanks again for the…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-19:2177249:Comment:2790892021-04-19T19:37:32.120ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>Hi Carl, Thanks again for the tip. I just got off the phone with Bitteroot Guitars and delighted to say that they had exactly what I needed.</p>
<p>The guy I was talking to actually knew which builder in China made the original rod and was able to give me detailed tips on installing the replacement. All in all, an excellent experience! I'll be doing business with them again! </p>
<p>Hi Carl, Thanks again for the tip. I just got off the phone with Bitteroot Guitars and delighted to say that they had exactly what I needed.</p>
<p>The guy I was talking to actually knew which builder in China made the original rod and was able to give me detailed tips on installing the replacement. All in all, an excellent experience! I'll be doing business with them again! </p> Thanks very much, Carl. Yes…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-19:2177249:Comment:2790292021-04-19T18:55:31.505ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>Thanks very much, Carl. Yes indeed, this again proves to be a "problem child"! The overall length of this rod is about 22 1/2", an oddball size. I see a lot of 24" rods and LMI will custom make one, but Bitteroot seems to have the right size. I'll give them a call and see what their thought are.</p>
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<p>Thanks very much, Carl. Yes indeed, this again proves to be a "problem child"! The overall length of this rod is about 22 1/2", an oddball size. I see a lot of 24" rods and LMI will custom make one, but Bitteroot seems to have the right size. I'll give them a call and see what their thought are.</p>
<p></p> Check the rods at bitterrootg…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-19:2177249:Comment:2789352021-04-19T16:01:35.875ZCarl Dickinsonhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/CarlDickinson
<p>Check the rods at bitterrootguitars.com. There's probably a close replacement there.</p>
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<p>Check the rods at bitterrootguitars.com. There's probably a close replacement there.</p>
<p></p> Hey looks like you had a win…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-18:2177249:Comment:2790882021-04-18T20:46:29.237ZTaffy Evanshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TaffyEvans
<p>Hey looks like you had a win there. I would replace with a rod the same as what came out if possible. But first I would try to find out why would someone overtighten the rod so much in the first Place. What were they trying to achieve and why. I hope the rest of the job goes well.</p>
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<p>Hey looks like you had a win there. I would replace with a rod the same as what came out if possible. But first I would try to find out why would someone overtighten the rod so much in the first Place. What were they trying to achieve and why. I hope the rest of the job goes well.</p>
<p>Taff.</p> Mystery solved! I was able t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-04-18:2177249:Comment:2788722021-04-18T19:56:51.377ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>Mystery solved! I was able to remove the fingerboard after a second round of heating and low and behold, the answer was right before my eyes!</p>
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<p>There was indeed a massive back bow in the truss rod! I just popped pout of the slot with the fingerboard removed.</p>
<p>You can really see the amount of back bow in this shot on the pegboard.…</p>
<p>Mystery solved! I was able to remove the fingerboard after a second round of heating and low and behold, the answer was right before my eyes!</p>
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<p>There was indeed a massive back bow in the truss rod! I just popped pout of the slot with the fingerboard removed.</p>
<p>You can really see the amount of back bow in this shot on the pegboard. </p>
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<p>Interestingly enough, the neck immediately became straight once the rod was removed so I expect that with a new truss rod, it may work properly again.</p>
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<p>I'm new to truss rods, but this does have 2 bars; a square bar over a round bas, so I assume it's a double action truss rod. Any thought on a proper replacement?</p>