Guitar case racks, new construction ideas. - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T09:18:27Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/guitar-case-racks-new-construction-ideas?feed=yes&xn_auth=noStephen ,one thing not mentio…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-07:2177249:Comment:1194462013-10-07T21:19:49.838ZKerry Krishnahttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/KerryKrishna
<p>Stephen ,one thing not mentioned anywhere here is finding some super cheep bolt of cloth to wrap all the wood that will be touching the cases, so there will never be scuff marks and such from any rough handling.</p>
<p> Just an idea. It sure makes folks upset to get 'bran' new' cases that are already marked up... </p>
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<p>Stephen ,one thing not mentioned anywhere here is finding some super cheep bolt of cloth to wrap all the wood that will be touching the cases, so there will never be scuff marks and such from any rough handling.</p>
<p> Just an idea. It sure makes folks upset to get 'bran' new' cases that are already marked up... </p>
<p></p> Thanks for the replies everyo…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-07:2177249:Comment:1193812013-10-07T16:24:13.436ZStephen Morganhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/StephenMorgan
<p>Thanks for the replies everyone! I think I'm going with a combo of new construction and pre-made racks. We might also use a bar code type label system, we'll see. Thanks!</p>
<p>Thanks for the replies everyone! I think I'm going with a combo of new construction and pre-made racks. We might also use a bar code type label system, we'll see. Thanks!</p> I had a 7 foot closet with a…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-07:2177249:Comment:1196282013-10-07T14:30:58.348ZJohnhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/John631
<p>I had a 7 foot closet with a 14 foot ceiling in my old shop, I used 2x4's and joist hangers to create a V that would cradle the bottom of an acoustic guitar case and set them far enough from the back wall so they could lean against it. The shelf above was set so that the end of the case in the first row was behind the bottom of the case in the second row. I was able to fit almost a 100 cases in this space. I think it cost $20 a pizza and a 6 pack and took about 2 hrs. </p>
<p>I had a 7 foot closet with a 14 foot ceiling in my old shop, I used 2x4's and joist hangers to create a V that would cradle the bottom of an acoustic guitar case and set them far enough from the back wall so they could lean against it. The shelf above was set so that the end of the case in the first row was behind the bottom of the case in the second row. I was able to fit almost a 100 cases in this space. I think it cost $20 a pizza and a 6 pack and took about 2 hrs. </p> Hi Ned!
The Messiah can easil…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-05:2177249:Comment:1195392013-10-05T22:33:54.177ZPeter Poyserhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PeterPoyser
<p>Hi Ned!</p>
<p>The Messiah can easily be seen from every side on public display every day in the Ashmolean.</p>
<p>One of a number of Great Instruments, including extremely Historic Guitars, with one made by Stradivari, that I have been privileged to be able to experience, my whole life through.</p>
<p>In the Movie above, Violins worth Millions are played publicly in an ordinary, every day setting. Making Great Art and Culture completely accessible to as many people as possible is something…</p>
<p>Hi Ned!</p>
<p>The Messiah can easily be seen from every side on public display every day in the Ashmolean.</p>
<p>One of a number of Great Instruments, including extremely Historic Guitars, with one made by Stradivari, that I have been privileged to be able to experience, my whole life through.</p>
<p>In the Movie above, Violins worth Millions are played publicly in an ordinary, every day setting. Making Great Art and Culture completely accessible to as many people as possible is something I strongly believe in.</p>
<p>I was tremendously pleased a year or so ago when on the day of a Landmark Birthday for me, a Company I have a strong interest in put on a Free Public Concert for 10,000 people in Trafalgar Square. They were educated to count beats and clap on accents like real musicians. Then able to listen to Stravinsky featuring The London Symphony Orchestra.</p>
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<p>The Messiah is renowned as the best of the best.</p>
<p>Deliberately preserved to keep it that way, as once an Instrument is used in Concert and Routine Maintenance and Repair is required, it would no longer be the prime example of a Brand New Stradivarius in the World.</p>
<p>The number of visiting Violin Experts and Professors that come from all over the Globe to examine this Instrument is quite boggling to the mind. The World Wide interest in it, is absolutely immense. And though its understandable if some have reservations about this, I don't. We can learn much more from it as it is, as will every future generation to come, without it being played, receiving Concert Performance wear and subsequently, being worked upon by third parties.</p>
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<p>Here's an article that sums up my feeling well.</p>
<p>'When the exhibition comes to an end, the Messiah will return to it's normal place in the museum.</p>
<p>While most of the other Stradivari violins are played, either routinely or from time to time at special moments, the Messiah will remain behind glass according to the moratorium on playing that has existed since it was rushed to Oxford on the eve of World War Two in 1939. Even access for violin makers and experts is severely limited.</p>
<p>Every time an instrument is played it risks damage, routine maintenance by the wrong restorer also comes with its perils, and just the act of handling a violin of this quality involves the possibility it could be put down on a hard surface, knocked or dropped. But then, other instruments have been swept out to sea and have been recovered and rebuilt without losing their magic.</p>
<p>Napoleon's spur marks famously disfigure the 'Duport' cello, whilst one foolhardy British officer brought his Stradivari to the battle of Waterloo. It survived; he didn't. Closer to home, the 18th century artist, John Malchair ceased playing in the Oxford Orchestras after unruly undergraduates in the Holywell Music Room threw an orange that smashed his Cremona violin.</p>
<p>The Messiah has always aroused a public response from the contradiction of not being played. It is, after all, an object made to create music, and heralded as the very finest that survives. To a point, displaying it without any hope of experiencing what it sounds like is tantamount to putting the Mona Lisa in a box.</p>
<p>Endless arguments can be made in support of keeping it in the way that the bequest dictates. The damage and wear caused by playing during its small period in private ownership; that Stradivari himself preserved it, and it remained in his family for generations after his death; that we know precisely how it sounds because of the numbers of similar violins by Stradivari that are played regularly by soloists around the world; or finally that it has provided the benchmark for violin making and provides the purest and most direct insights into Stradivari's intellectual processes, proven by the very successful copies that have been made, and allowing future generations a unique opportunity to understand his work in the best possible light.'</p>
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<p>The Hour Long Lecture given by the Curator on the Life of Stradivari was wonderful. An inspiration!</p>
<p>Although a relative of mine, worked for Craftsmen that worked at The Hill Brothers who donated The Messiah to the Museum, and so many of the deepest secrets, the most intimate involving it, are still only privately known.</p>
<p>In relation to the Thread Theme, perhaps one can appreciate that Adequate and Proper Storage is a Perpetual Problem here, that affects everyone that has lived here for a long time. Queens College have just built a New, Sunken Library, so as to minimise its effect on view of the Historical Architecture surrounding it. This kind of workaround goes on all the time.</p>
<p>It's a problem for me, although long term strategic planning has mitigated the worst difficulties, but for some of my pals who are responsible for ensuring the security and safety of so very many Historical Artefacts, it is a daily, weekly, monthly yearly ongoing problem that has to be continually addressed, and occasionally requires wholesale re-working. It may seem worlds apart for some here, but the underlying issues are largely the same, and the thoughts outlined previously should serve anyone attempting to install a New Major Facility, very well indeed.</p>
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<p>Here you will see a Glimpse of The Messiah.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQGy9ixoIUc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQGy9ixoIUc</a></p>
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<p>But far more interestingly, be able to Glimpse into the Mind of Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni as he painted the Ceiling of the Sisctine Chapel.</p>
<p>And amongst other items of interest. Glimpse the actual Lamp that was in the very hand of Guy Fawkes, when he was about to blow up The Houses of Parliament, which is the reason we have Bonfires with Guy's and Celebrate with Fireworks on Nov. 5th every year.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXZ1TjKXdQc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXZ1TjKXdQc</a></p>
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<p>P</p> Peter, do they still keep "Th…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-05:2177249:Comment:1195372013-10-05T18:38:33.972ZNed Knepphttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>Peter, do they still keep "The Messiah" locked away and un-played?</p>
<p>Peter, do they still keep "The Messiah" locked away and un-played?</p> Quote: "I.D. tags go on the e…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-05:2177249:Comment:1195982013-10-05T11:35:43.455ZPeter Poyserhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PeterPoyser
<p>Quote: "I.D. tags go on the ends of the cases, of course."</p>
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<p>Good Call!</p>
<p>I wondered if I should have mentioned these.</p>
<p>The ones I use are very big Luggage Labels, much bigger than they appear below and very easy to record copious amounts of important details on with a Sharpie and Read.…</p>
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<p>Quote: "I.D. tags go on the ends of the cases, of course."</p>
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<p>Good Call!</p>
<p>I wondered if I should have mentioned these.</p>
<p>The ones I use are very big Luggage Labels, much bigger than they appear below and very easy to record copious amounts of important details on with a Sharpie and Read.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006YT91AG/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006YT91AG/ref=oh_details_o01_s0...</a></p>
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<p>Best of all they are quite cheap to buy and very strong and hardy, so if you use a good scribe, they last extremely well. Every Case here has a Label so I know what is actually in it. Lots of cases look completely identical in every respect so this is important.There are around a dozen purely Empty Cases ready all the time, but these also are Clearly Tagged, so that what Instruments will actually fit in them is clear demarcated, before anyone even tries.</p>
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<p>I try to look at storage facilities in a strategic manner, and do plan things from the ground up, as best I can for long term growth.</p>
<p>Reading of Frank's struggles with these storage issues, as demands change and the eventual need to alter things around, reminded me of many of the struggles nearby Museums and Libraries here have had and continue to struggle with on a continuing basis. It's something we are no stranger to, but part and parcel of the lives of people that live here.</p>
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<p>The Ashmolean for instance, has in recent years been completely remodelled.</p>
<p>The collection was actually started in the 1600's by a Gardener, and his son, though very few people seem to know that, but by now has over 1,000, 000 Items to Store. </p>
<p>It's the oldest Museum in the English Speaking World, and so at any one time overall, only a tiny fraction of its Treasures can be seen, and that's just for the length of the exhibition so a few months.</p>
<p>All the Priceless Artefacts of History have to be stored away, in the main, and as the Museum grows year by year it's a constant problem finding suitable and safe places to store everything. It cost £98M to remodel the Museum, and as Americans you'll be proud to known a man born in Oregon was responsible for it.</p>
<p>The biggest headache though was where do you keep everything safe, whilst all this is going on? If you already haven't got room for everything anyway? In the Video below you will see some of 500 new pieces that have recently been added, and they all have to been found room for, and are worth many millions indeed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21274496" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21274496</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R0ollkLEQs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R0ollkLEQs</a></p>
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<p>They also put on plenty of Live Music.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthfJcgCHfg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthfJcgCHfg</a></p>
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<p>The Bodleian Library is another case in point.</p>
<p>It holds a copy of every Book ever published in the U.K. and requests those of Ireland, so every year, space for huge amounts of extra shelving, have to be found.</p>
<p>Gradually everything is more and more moving underground here, although they have built new buildings elsewhere. Here they have miles and miles underground by now. They installed moving conveyors to move the Books to where they need to get to, the storage capacity is so great. They have been doing this, expanding growth year after year, for 400 years now.</p>
<p>If you watch the video below you'll understand how dealing with storage for many of us here, demands such a long term strategy thinking.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8r96cZC2lY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8r96cZC2lY</a></p>
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<p>Perhaps my favourite is the Pitt-Rivers.</p>
<p>What this is actually, is a collection, created by just one Victorian Explorer, General Pitt-Rivers.</p>
<p>Everything here is strange, mysterious, exotic, wonderfully interesting and you will even find shrunken human heads smaller than a man's hand, of Pygmies. </p>
<p>Huge Totem Poles transported halfway around the world at a time of little world travel. It all harkens back to a time when most of the world was yet to be explored, and you half expect to bump into Dr Livingstone around a corner.</p>
<p>Here's a Video of a fun night where the focus was on Face Masks from all over the World. Complete with Exotic Belly Dancing and Musicians.</p>
<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/65313090" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/65313090</a></p>
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<p>But what you see is only the merest fraction of what has to be stored.</p>
<p>It's all priceless and irreplaceable, and there are plenty of Musical Instrument Collections, here that are all in a similar position.</p>
<p>During the recent Stradivarius Exhibition, featuring 21 Stradivari, there was a Stradivarius Harp (The only one in existence anywhere in the World) Stored away, completely out of sight.</p>
<p>This is why my interest in Storage is so great. It's a problem not just for me and my humble lot, but all part of a larger, on going, continuous problem, that we face here all the time, and have to find lasting solutions for.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJCmSvGZMoA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJCmSvGZMoA</a></p>
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<p>In the Video above Stradivari Instruments worth Millions are being played to passer's by in the local Covered Market.</p>
<p>There is a Shop in the Market that sells Equestrian Paraphernalia, Saddles and other leather goods. For my wife's recent birthday, I just bought her a couple of Handbags and a Purse from there, as she has all my money.</p>
<p>She needs somewhere to store it.</p>
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<p>P</p> That many instrument cases ta…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-05:2177249:Comment:1194192013-10-05T03:40:00.127ZFrank Fordhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/FrankFord
<p>That many instrument cases take up a LOT of space, and it's a problem we've wrestled with over the years. After all our various attempts to be creative, we found that being flexible was far more important. So, we now use that cheap imported boltless steel rack shelving with MDF decking. We get them as tall as logic and overhead will permit, and after trial and error we've found that 36" deep shelves work best for everything but mandolins, ukes and other short instruments. I.D. tags go on…</p>
<p>That many instrument cases take up a LOT of space, and it's a problem we've wrestled with over the years. After all our various attempts to be creative, we found that being flexible was far more important. So, we now use that cheap imported boltless steel rack shelving with MDF decking. We get them as tall as logic and overhead will permit, and after trial and error we've found that 36" deep shelves work best for everything but mandolins, ukes and other short instruments. I.D. tags go on the ends of the cases, of course.</p>
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<p>The ability to reconfigure shelf height has been valuable when we do serious remodeling in the rooms.</p>
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<p></p> Quote: "Let me clarify"
R…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-04:2177249:Comment:1195152013-10-04T17:27:04.926ZPeter Poyserhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PeterPoyser
<p>Quote: "Let me clarify"</p>
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<p>Right!</p>
<p>I had the idea.</p>
<p>It was a new installation.</p>
<p>What I use looks like this, in shape.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ultracase.com/guitar_vault.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ultracase.com/guitar_vault.php</a></p>
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<p>But doesn't have any of the unnecessary features included.</p>
<p>They are Purely Designed to Store Instruments in their Hard Cases.</p>
<p>As opposed to Stage Use, and have a Fully…</p>
<p>Quote: "Let me clarify"</p>
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<p>Right!</p>
<p>I had the idea.</p>
<p>It was a new installation.</p>
<p>What I use looks like this, in shape.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ultracase.com/guitar_vault.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.ultracase.com/guitar_vault.php</a></p>
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<p>But doesn't have any of the unnecessary features included.</p>
<p>They are Purely Designed to Store Instruments in their Hard Cases.</p>
<p>As opposed to Stage Use, and have a Fully Fitted Back, and a Front Cover.</p>
<p>The Bottom of the Rack Stands are slightly Sloped, with Upper Slots as Partitions.</p>
<p>Thus, the Instruments are held in very close to Vertical Position, almost entirely by Gravity.</p>
<p>And an Equal Amount of Musical Instruments in Hard Cases, fit on top, Doubling the Storage Space for the same Ground Footprint.</p>
<p>I think a whole range of Design Solutions would be suitable and work well for you, and it's interesting to read of others ideas. Many Material Options could be chosen.</p>
<p>As best I can recall, my own Rack Stands, which were Designed and Made several decades before this type of Rack Stand became available commercially, cost around £40 a Pair in materials.</p>
<p>I find it difficult to imagine that if like me one did not require it to be transportable, (so no need for excessive bracing or wheels etc.) it would cost big money per Rack depending on what materials it was made of, and how it was fitted out and finished.</p>
<p>This assumes that one does the Design Work themselves, and puts some of their own time, effort and energies into such a Project. If one needed to pay a Carpenter then of course that would add additional labour costs. However, Designing and Building such Stands oneself affords the possibility of huge adventures in terms of Customisation Options.</p>
<p>Not least in Finish which could be Wood, cheap and cheerful MDF, or any of a Myriad of Simple Practical Choices including Metal.</p>
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<p>Planning and Costing, is what will clarify many issues for you.</p>
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<p>Good Luck with your Project!</p>
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<p>P</p> I think, give the numbers you…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-04:2177249:Comment:1195882013-10-04T16:26:47.462ZNed Knepphttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>I think, give the numbers you mentioned, racks built along the lines of Onewent's would work just fine with some minor modifications to make them free standing. If you have room, you might consider making them single layer with a solid top which would essentially give you tables as needed . With the addition of casters (locking) you could be free to move/arrange the racks as needed. </p>
<p>If you need to make them stacking, they should attach to the walls or perhaps be double wide with…</p>
<p>I think, give the numbers you mentioned, racks built along the lines of Onewent's would work just fine with some minor modifications to make them free standing. If you have room, you might consider making them single layer with a solid top which would essentially give you tables as needed . With the addition of casters (locking) you could be free to move/arrange the racks as needed. </p>
<p>If you need to make them stacking, they should attach to the walls or perhaps be double wide with access from both sides if free standing. You might consider a three rail design for the bottom too keep them from collecting detritus. </p> Thanks for the responses and…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2013-10-04:2177249:Comment:1194142013-10-04T16:15:51.756ZStephen Morganhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/StephenMorgan
<p>Thanks for the responses and Peter I thank you for the thoughts. Let me clarify; few of the cases have guitars in them, all of the electrics have racks, and I'm replacing 20+ years of hobbled together racks and various tables etc.. We have a large vintage shop and the space is well used and climate controlled etc.. Most of them are full sized "Martin" style cases and lots of vintage chipboard types in all conditions that don't ever move. Thanks again.</p>
<p>Thanks for the responses and Peter I thank you for the thoughts. Let me clarify; few of the cases have guitars in them, all of the electrics have racks, and I'm replacing 20+ years of hobbled together racks and various tables etc.. We have a large vintage shop and the space is well used and climate controlled etc.. Most of them are full sized "Martin" style cases and lots of vintage chipboard types in all conditions that don't ever move. Thanks again.</p>