Hide Glue & Neck Reset Question - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T10:41:49Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/hide-glue-neck-reset-question?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A186706&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noyes they did have big fat nec…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-19:2177249:Comment:1867062019-08-19T05:48:31.932ZWalter W Wrighthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WalterWWright
<p>yes they did have big fat necks, because they often didn't have proper truss rods.</p>
<p>another little thing i've discovered about them is that if you find one with too much upbow (common), when you take the strings off and the neck sort of straightens out, you can then clamp down the frets and wick in a bunch of thin CA glue (they need it) and the result can be a much stiffer neck that no longer upbows!</p>
<p>do this <span style="text-decoration: underline;">after</span> the reset, you…</p>
<p>yes they did have big fat necks, because they often didn't have proper truss rods.</p>
<p>another little thing i've discovered about them is that if you find one with too much upbow (common), when you take the strings off and the neck sort of straightens out, you can then clamp down the frets and wick in a bunch of thin CA glue (they need it) and the result can be a much stiffer neck that no longer upbows!</p>
<p>do this <span style="text-decoration: underline;">after</span> the reset, you don't want any CA getting into the neck joint until after it's fixed</p> Cool thanks. Didn't those old…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-19:2177249:Comment:1867042019-08-19T04:21:52.767Zmr smitshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/mrsmits
<p>Cool thanks. Didn't those old Harmony guitars have enormous softball bat size necks?</p>
<p>The bridge came out great (I think). It's been strung up for over a week no now issues and I used a heavier string (same gauge but more lbs) than prior, so this is a good sign.</p>
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<p>Cool thanks. Didn't those old Harmony guitars have enormous softball bat size necks?</p>
<p>The bridge came out great (I think). It's been strung up for over a week no now issues and I used a heavier string (same gauge but more lbs) than prior, so this is a good sign.</p>
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<p></p> no comment on the bridge glue…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-19:2177249:Comment:1865962019-08-19T04:09:01.131ZWalter W Wrighthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WalterWWright
<p>no comment on the bridge glue job, except to hope that the glue was still like thin maple syrup when you first clamped the two pieces together!</p>
<p>as for doing your first neck reset, i can attest as someone fairly new to that particular job myself that a better bet would be to find an old 50s-70s harmony flattop to try this on.</p>
<p>they're still cheap, they have classic martin-style dovetail joints, they typically need neck resets, they used hide glue originally, they weren't finished…</p>
<p>no comment on the bridge glue job, except to hope that the glue was still like thin maple syrup when you first clamped the two pieces together!</p>
<p>as for doing your first neck reset, i can attest as someone fairly new to that particular job myself that a better bet would be to find an old 50s-70s harmony flattop to try this on.</p>
<p>they're still cheap, they have classic martin-style dovetail joints, they typically need neck resets, they used hide glue originally, they weren't finished over <span style="text-decoration: underline;">after</span> assembly [thank you gibson >:( ] and the actual heel fit was usually not that great to begin with.</p>
<p>they are thus relatively easy to take apart, the procedure to correct the angle is the same as for nicer guitars, and the job is worth doing, an old harmony with good action can be a neat knockaround guitar.</p> Great thank you.
tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-07:2177249:Comment:1859662019-08-07T20:42:00.476Zmr smitshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/mrsmits
<p>Great thank you.</p>
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<p>Great thank you.</p>
<p></p> Hot hide glue (as opposed to…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-07:2177249:Comment:1860482019-08-07T19:57:38.941ZFrank Fordhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/FrankFord
<p>Hot hide glue (as opposed to bottled liquid hide glue) tends to stick to finish rather well, and as it dries to become hard, it chips flakes of finish right off.</p>
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<p>For that reason, it's customary to clean off as much squeeze-out while it's in the gel state. A thin wipe of glue won't chip the finish, but thick puddles, drips and runs surely can.</p>
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<p>Warm water will dissolve dried glue, so wiping down with hot wet rags is the standard for cleanup.</p>
<p>Hot hide glue (as opposed to bottled liquid hide glue) tends to stick to finish rather well, and as it dries to become hard, it chips flakes of finish right off.</p>
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<p>For that reason, it's customary to clean off as much squeeze-out while it's in the gel state. A thin wipe of glue won't chip the finish, but thick puddles, drips and runs surely can.</p>
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<p>Warm water will dissolve dried glue, so wiping down with hot wet rags is the standard for cleanup.</p> Good news. It appears to be h…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-07:2177249:Comment:1858362019-08-07T18:40:31.656Zmr smitshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/mrsmits
<p>Good news. It appears to be holding very well.</p>
<p>What is the best way to remove the hide glue squeeze out?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Good news. It appears to be holding very well.</p>
<p>What is the best way to remove the hide glue squeeze out?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p> Sorry, I just realized that t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-07:2177249:Comment:1857662019-08-07T09:30:53.816ZMark McLeanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkMcLean
<p>Sorry, I just realized that the link I gave was to page 3 of a five page article. Here is the start:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset1.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset1.html</a></p>
<p>Sorry, I just realized that the link I gave was to page 3 of a five page article. Here is the start:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset1.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset1.html</a></p> Awesome, thanks.
There is som…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-06:2177249:Comment:1858352019-08-06T21:15:56.631Zmr smitshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/mrsmits
<p>Awesome, thanks.</p>
<p>There is some squeeze out. I put a generous amount on the bridge and the body itself. I don't see any gaps -- maybe the 20 to 30 minutes of clamping was enough? Hopefully!</p>
<p>I will try it tonight and see.</p>
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<p>Awesome, thanks.</p>
<p>There is some squeeze out. I put a generous amount on the bridge and the body itself. I don't see any gaps -- maybe the 20 to 30 minutes of clamping was enough? Hopefully!</p>
<p>I will try it tonight and see.</p>
<p></p> The best resources on the ne…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-06:2177249:Comment:1860472019-08-06T20:52:15.709ZMark McLeanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkMcLean
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<p>The best resources on the net for luthiery questions often have Mr Ford’s signature. </p>
<p>For your neck reset check out this page. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset3.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset3.html</a></p>
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<p>The best resources on the net for luthiery questions often have Mr Ford’s signature. </p>
<p>For your neck reset check out this page. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset3.html" target="_blank">http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Guitar/NeckReset/BCRIchReset/bcrichreset3.html</a></p> You can string up after it ha…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-08-06:2177249:Comment:1858342019-08-06T20:43:46.028ZMark McLeanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkMcLean
<p>You can string up after it has dried overnight. It is now as strong as it is ever going to be. Maybe you got a strong joint. There is only one way to find out! If you feel it is OK you could string it up and see (maybe leave it with light tension for a while before going up to concert pitch).</p>
<p>Did you get much squeeze-out? If not, I doubt you got enough in there. In that case I would suggest that you warm it up (e.g. clothes iron) and take it off (warm palette knife), and do it…</p>
<p>You can string up after it has dried overnight. It is now as strong as it is ever going to be. Maybe you got a strong joint. There is only one way to find out! If you feel it is OK you could string it up and see (maybe leave it with light tension for a while before going up to concert pitch).</p>
<p>Did you get much squeeze-out? If not, I doubt you got enough in there. In that case I would suggest that you warm it up (e.g. clothes iron) and take it off (warm palette knife), and do it again with 2-3 clamps. </p>