Nut compensation - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T16:06:35Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/nut-compensation?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A166122&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJust a few last notes in this…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-18:2177249:Comment:1661222017-01-18T20:37:08.832ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Just a few last notes in this dying thread.<br></br><br></br>Even with a very low nut and a perfect setup, a nut compensation using the method I showed WILL improve intonation. Setting the intonation points in both ends gives a pretty firm shape to the intonation of the nut within the normal range of 1th fret and 12th fret action, from low to high.<br></br><br></br>I've learned to handle the 1th fret action much better after my experiments and the help from the kind folks in this forum. My setups and…</p>
<p>Just a few last notes in this dying thread.<br/><br/>Even with a very low nut and a perfect setup, a nut compensation using the method I showed WILL improve intonation. Setting the intonation points in both ends gives a pretty firm shape to the intonation of the nut within the normal range of 1th fret and 12th fret action, from low to high.<br/><br/>I've learned to handle the 1th fret action much better after my experiments and the help from the kind folks in this forum. My setups and intonation efforts will be even better after this :-)<br/><br/>Beware of faulty strings when doing the intonation. When doing the last one I had a faulty E string, that's two in a row!<br/><br/>To summarize: There will never be perfect intonation on the guitar, but the standard intonation can certainly be improved using the nut and not only the saddle. To my ears the improvement is huge, especially in the upper part of the fretboard and for the standard chords with open strings.</p> I have never seen such a beam…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-08:2177249:Comment:1659342017-01-08T22:55:49.069ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>I have never seen such a beam for sale.<br/><br/>The 0.1 mm relief is almost impossible to see with the naked eyes, but on a piece of flat glass and pressing on one end the other end comes up 0.2 mm :-) My pal Per Marklund (who makes world class 1930'ies Martin replicas!) helped me out with his state-of-the-art CNC.</p>
<p>I have never seen such a beam for sale.<br/><br/>The 0.1 mm relief is almost impossible to see with the naked eyes, but on a piece of flat glass and pressing on one end the other end comes up 0.2 mm :-) My pal Per Marklund (who makes world class 1930'ies Martin replicas!) helped me out with his state-of-the-art CNC.</p> So why did you CNC a fixed ra…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-08:2177249:Comment:1658312017-01-08T22:46:33.248Zsteven gallagherhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/stevengallagher
<p>So why did you CNC a fixed radius sanding beam? Can't you can buy those much cheaper than having one custom-made?</p>
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<p>I've never gotten an actual quote, but figured it would cost a few hundred dollars to have someone CNC a compound radius beam.</p>
<p>So why did you CNC a fixed radius sanding beam? Can't you can buy those much cheaper than having one custom-made?</p>
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<p>I've never gotten an actual quote, but figured it would cost a few hundred dollars to have someone CNC a compound radius beam.</p> Yes. The compensation at the…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-08:2177249:Comment:1659252017-01-08T09:05:30.648ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Yes. The compensation at the nut changes the intonation mostly for the upper part of the fretboard. The intonation at the saddle mostly the bottom part. That's the feeling I get when doing this,</p>
<p>Yes. The compensation at the nut changes the intonation mostly for the upper part of the fretboard. The intonation at the saddle mostly the bottom part. That's the feeling I get when doing this,</p> Like I said , shove a match u…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-08:2177249:Comment:1656422017-01-08T00:06:46.552ZLen Biglinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LenBiglin
<p>Like I said , shove a match up under the b and tune the string , now it hasnt changed the open sound , coz you retuned it . It HAS changed the distance from nut to fret , it is now a shorter distance to the fret , so the pitch at the fret will be slightly lower , same on 2 and 3 to a reducing amount .</p>
<p>Like I said , shove a match up under the b and tune the string , now it hasnt changed the open sound , coz you retuned it . It HAS changed the distance from nut to fret , it is now a shorter distance to the fret , so the pitch at the fret will be slightly lower , same on 2 and 3 to a reducing amount .</p> Thanks Len, I've never played…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-07:2177249:Comment:1659242017-01-07T21:35:05.753ZNed Knepphttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>Thanks Len, I've never played/tuned a guitar that didn't give me trouble with the b string.</p>
<p>I'll give it a try but I think the basic idea you're proposing is slightly lengthen the compensation on the string. When you suggest that I change the break point on the nut, you are actually bringing in to play the question on this tread. This is what I don't understand; Why would making the change at the nut change anything except the open string? Is it only the open "b" that is faulty? I…</p>
<p>Thanks Len, I've never played/tuned a guitar that didn't give me trouble with the b string.</p>
<p>I'll give it a try but I think the basic idea you're proposing is slightly lengthen the compensation on the string. When you suggest that I change the break point on the nut, you are actually bringing in to play the question on this tread. This is what I don't understand; Why would making the change at the nut change anything except the open string? Is it only the open "b" that is faulty? I can tune "b" so that it plays perfectly in tune with the other open notes. It's when I start playing that it drives me crazy.</p>
<p>Honestly, we're not talking about a lot of difference and, frankly, a lot of my friends can't hear it and tend to think I'm a bit nuts/obsessive about it but <strong>I </strong>hear it and it makes me constantly feel like I need to retune.</p> Yes, I'm from Sweden. 1st it…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-07:2177249:Comment:1656392017-01-07T13:30:30.459ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Yes, I'm from Sweden. 1st it will be :-)</p>
<p>Yes, I'm from Sweden. 1st it will be :-)</p> Roger , I think from memory y…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-07:2177249:Comment:1657482017-01-07T10:51:12.191ZLen Biglinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LenBiglin
<p>Roger , I think from memory you may be Swedish ? Just a little point , the usual abreviation for "first" is "1st" and I think you are using "1th" , not being critical of course but it may be clearer to use "1st".</p>
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<p>Roger , I think from memory you may be Swedish ? Just a little point , the usual abreviation for "first" is "1st" and I think you are using "1th" , not being critical of course but it may be clearer to use "1st".</p>
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<p></p> Ned , you say you can hear th…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-07:2177249:Comment:1657442017-01-07T10:46:40.899ZLen Biglinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LenBiglin
<p>Ned , you say you can hear the problem on B strings , they tend to play sharp on the 1st few frets right ? So if you move the break point of the nut closer to the 1st fret , the effect is the same as having the fret closer to the nut. </p>
<p> i.e. changing it from a sharpish semitone to a correct semitone . Now it has more effect on the 1st few frets and less as you get past 3rd fret , exactly what is needed . Try shoving a matchstick against the nut under the B string and tune up ,…</p>
<p>Ned , you say you can hear the problem on B strings , they tend to play sharp on the 1st few frets right ? So if you move the break point of the nut closer to the 1st fret , the effect is the same as having the fret closer to the nut. </p>
<p> i.e. changing it from a sharpish semitone to a correct semitone . Now it has more effect on the 1st few frets and less as you get past 3rd fret , exactly what is needed . Try shoving a matchstick against the nut under the B string and tune up , you should hear the C , C#, and D play more harmoniously with the other strings , but a match is a bit big in reality . Hope that makes sense , I have never found it needed all this work from Roger , but its a real thing and we must recognise it .</p>
<p></p> Well. Didn't get all of that…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-01-07:2177249:Comment:1659222017-01-07T07:24:46.163ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>Well. Didn't get all of that :-) I agree that he b string on an acoustic guitar is the problem string.</p>
<p>My only advice is to give this thing a try. The aim for the nut compensation is to make the open string play better with the fretted notes on the same string. You might like it.</p>
<p>Well. Didn't get all of that :-) I agree that he b string on an acoustic guitar is the problem string.</p>
<p>My only advice is to give this thing a try. The aim for the nut compensation is to make the open string play better with the fretted notes on the same string. You might like it.</p>