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Hello,

I have a beautiful Avalon 12string that sounds awesome, but would like some advice on sound hole pickups & strings please.

Currently, the guitar is fitted with my preferred  80/20 bronze strings and a Fishman “Rare Earth” active  sound hole pickup.

The issue I have is that, being a 12 string, when plugged in, the plain steel octave strings ring noticeably louder than their wound bronze pairings.

I realise the Fishman is a magnetic pickup, so I have tried nickel wounds which subdues the imbalance to some degree but I just prefer 80/20 bronze for acoustic sessions.

Also, I really don’t wish to go down the under saddle transducer route, not least of all because the Avalon (like Lowdens) is built with a split/offset saddle.

Any advise on how to get the bronze wounds and steel strings to a consistent volume (when plugged in), would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.....Brian

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If you use pure nickel wound strings , the result would be about the same as bronze . Steel wrap nickel plated is the way to go (standard electrics) . This is pretty obvious , just so there's no mistake .

Personal experience only:

Consider a K&K Pickup.  the piezo transducers adhere to the bridge plate rather than under the saddle(s).  They sound very natural and there's a choice of the contact transducers alone or mixed with a mic.  I have the transducer-only version in a flamenco guitar and it sounds great.  I have another in one of my mandolins and it's great, too.  It's a passive system; it needs a DI or preamp to plug into a PA which is what I use.

Another choice is a Baggs Lyric system--an active mic system with preamp that attaches to the bridge plate, controls just inside the sound hole and a preamp built into the end pin plug.  I have a flattop with a Baggs Anthem which combines a similar internal mic with a UST and it's great--but I have the UST balanced to nearly silent, so if I did it again I'd probably just get the Lyric.  Downside: the battery is inside the guitar which means loosening the strings to reach it unless it's mounted somehow on the exterior of the guitar--a bigger issue with a 12 than a 6 string for sure although it doesn't come up often.  I check and replace once a year but if gigging a lot it may need to be done more frequently.  I always check the battery when I change strings.

There's lots of good pickup systems out there.  Those with more experience that I probably have better recommendations as well.

I've used DR Zebra strings on my acoustic archtop with magnetic floating pickup.  the windings alternate phosphor bronze and nickel so the mag pickups work as intended with more PB flavor in the acoustic sound.  I'm not sure they make them in 80-20 or 12 string sets, though.

The "ne plus ultra" of sound hole pick ups is the Sunrise. People don't need to string up with electric strings. I do not have personal experience with these but a lot of people use them. I have been told they are heavy which raises concern when flying (as if flying were not a concern to begin with) because of kinetic energy. They are also expensive. 

Thank you for your replies, interesting.

The sunrise looks promising, also, I’ll take a look at “stick on” body transducers and the type that are actually inserted and fixed into the the bridge (similar to the new Taylor system).

Thank you for your suggestions; plenty to think on!!

Cheers........Brian

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