Old Brass Tuners Frozen - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T06:16:46Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/old-brass-tuners-frozen?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A182783&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe tuner looks really good.…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-01-24:2177249:Comment:1827832019-01-24T06:07:59.871Zcharley erckhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/charleyerck
<p>The tuner looks really good. The corrosion came off nice, but still leaving a nice age.</p>
<p>Good job on the button, and I think the bone idea would fit this old veteran very nicely.</p>
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<p>The tuner looks really good. The corrosion came off nice, but still leaving a nice age.</p>
<p>Good job on the button, and I think the bone idea would fit this old veteran very nicely.</p>
<p></p> Hi John, I actually had prett…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-01-23:2177249:Comment:1827822019-01-23T20:36:57.060Zonewenthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/onewent
<p>Hi John, I actually had pretty good success replacing the buttons. As others here and on banjo hangout explained, there is a tiny washer at the tip of the tuner button shaft, and the washer is held on by a slight peening of its end. So I lightly and carefully filed a bit of the 'mushroom' off the tip, and the washer came off easily. I took a plastic tuner replacement button and shaped it to look like the originals, and drilled, then shaped with a jewelers file the inside, four-sided hole.…</p>
<p>Hi John, I actually had pretty good success replacing the buttons. As others here and on banjo hangout explained, there is a tiny washer at the tip of the tuner button shaft, and the washer is held on by a slight peening of its end. So I lightly and carefully filed a bit of the 'mushroom' off the tip, and the washer came off easily. I took a plastic tuner replacement button and shaped it to look like the originals, and drilled, then shaped with a jewelers file the inside, four-sided hole. After a bit of fitting/filing, the button fit snugly, so I installed the washer and peened the tip .. </p>
<p>For a better look, I'm going to carve new buttons from unbleached bone nut blanks. It's time consuming, but sort of satisfying.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">How is the replacement of the tuner buttons coming along? Have you figured out the end cap issue?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">There is no way I know to reshape the cap to allow new buttons to be…</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">How is the replacement of the tuner buttons coming along? Have you figured out the end cap issue?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">There is no way I know to reshape the cap to allow new buttons to be</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">passed over them and then reshaped them back into a retaining cap. And make them look like the original unaltered buttons.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">Frank, I can almost see you raising that hatchet and grabbing me by the neck like your on line picture for floating this idea out here.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">What about using a razor saw to cut the shaft at about 75-80% of its</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">length inside the button, installing the new buttons and gluing the 3 pieces back together with an epoxy. T</span><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">he glue would also have to fill the total length void created during the cut off</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">process. The overall length must stay the same as the other original remaining buttons on the strip.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">Maybe plan to try a few practice runs using some cheap old brass Harmony tuners, remove</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">the plastic buttons, square off the shafts. This will could get you about as close</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">to duplicating the process. These could then be mounted on another guitar and see if</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">they would hold up under the tension of the strings.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">Will epoxy bond brass and bone, fill the small voids and functionally</span> <span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">handle tension of tuning over time?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">I'm interested in the process because I have an old mandolin with a similar bone and brass combination and I see faint fissure cracks on my buttons too. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif', serif, EmojiFont; font-size: 11pt;">Frank I know your mantra is do nothing that can't be undone, so in the words of Pink Floyd, " Careful with that axe, Eugene." </span></p> Thanks for the photos! Intere…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-01-05:2177249:Comment:1827072019-01-05T05:29:10.306Zcharley erckhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/charleyerck
<p>Thanks for the photos! Interesting old piece of banjology. It seems the frets end above the body, in the way of present day clawhammerers. </p>
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<p>Thanks for the photos! Interesting old piece of banjology. It seems the frets end above the body, in the way of present day clawhammerers. </p>
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<p>Just to follow up, after two weeks soaking in penetrating oil, and a little tapping, wiggling and machine oil, the tuners are completely free!</p>
<p>Now, any ideas on replacing the broken bone buttons? These are the 'rivet' on type .. pre 1900s.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
<p>Just to follow up, after two weeks soaking in penetrating oil, and a little tapping, wiggling and machine oil, the tuners are completely free!</p>
<p>Now, any ideas on replacing the broken bone buttons? These are the 'rivet' on type .. pre 1900s.</p>
<p>Tom</p> It's in pieces at the moment,…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-12-19:2177249:Comment:1819782018-12-19T23:29:51.383Zonewenthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/onewent
<p>It's in pieces at the moment, I'll see what I can do .. Tom</p>
<p>It's in pieces at the moment, I'll see what I can do .. Tom</p> Onewent, no ridicule meant to…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-12-19:2177249:Comment:1817812018-12-19T01:18:22.332Zcharley erckhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/charleyerck
<p>Onewent, no ridicule meant towards the banjo! It sounds like a worthy item. I, for one, would appreciate pictures of the rest. </p>
<p>Onewent, no ridicule meant towards the banjo! It sounds like a worthy item. I, for one, would appreciate pictures of the rest. </p> Ha, these look like it!tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-12-18:2177249:Comment:1819712018-12-18T00:58:32.714Zcharley erckhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/charleyerck
<p>Ha, these look like it!</p>
<p>Ha, these look like it!</p>