Olive oil cracked double bass - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T21:16:21Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/olive-oil-cracked-double-bass?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A109695&feed=yes&xn_auth=no It's always amazing when a '…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-01:2177249:Comment:1378702014-10-01T22:44:12.731ZKerry Krishnahttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/KerryKrishna
<p> It's always amazing when a 'Zombie Thread' takes off again, (that usually pisses me off for some reason...) and actually starts producing some amazing resolts. Thanks for all this Folks. Great Forum Building here!</p>
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<p> It's always amazing when a 'Zombie Thread' takes off again, (that usually pisses me off for some reason...) and actually starts producing some amazing resolts. Thanks for all this Folks. Great Forum Building here!</p>
<p></p> Richard, yep, fair call; I…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-01:2177249:Comment:1379072014-10-01T15:10:36.955ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Richard, yep, fair call; I noted the same when I went looking for it: there is a lot written about all this stuff that is circulating around the web and I may have been a little flippant in my dismissal of the silicone components found in several well know products. </p>
<p>I cannot get my head around it at the moment and I reiterate we use the fisheye eliminator that does not contain this stuff. I need to talk to the paint chemist to straighten this out and once I have done that I…</p>
<p>Richard, yep, fair call; I noted the same when I went looking for it: there is a lot written about all this stuff that is circulating around the web and I may have been a little flippant in my dismissal of the silicone components found in several well know products. </p>
<p>I cannot get my head around it at the moment and I reiterate we use the fisheye eliminator that does not contain this stuff. I need to talk to the paint chemist to straighten this out and once I have done that I will come back with what he knows. It's beyond my pay grade at the moment</p>
<p>Rusty.</p> Did a little research, Rusty,…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-01:2177249:Comment:1377722014-10-01T11:32:11.910ZRichard Baleshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RichardBales
<p>Did a little research, Rusty, and found that some fish-eye reducers actually contain Dimethylpolysiloxanes, commonly referred to as silicone polymers. I checked out MSDS data sheets on a number of products and found several with silicone. So I guess it's "buyer beware". </p>
<p>Did a little research, Rusty, and found that some fish-eye reducers actually contain Dimethylpolysiloxanes, commonly referred to as silicone polymers. I checked out MSDS data sheets on a number of products and found several with silicone. So I guess it's "buyer beware". </p> Hello Russell,
Thanks for t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-01:2177249:Comment:1377702014-10-01T11:12:04.262ZJelle van Tilburghttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JellevanTilburg
<p>Hello Russell, </p>
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<p>Thanks for the warning/awareness! This is an old post (and the double bass in question, is long gone). So all the incoming suggestions/ solutions would solely be for future reference (then again, it's mighty handy to know up front which one's to avoid, or at least be aware of the possible danger/side effects)</p>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Hello Russell, </p>
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<p>Thanks for the warning/awareness! This is an old post (and the double bass in question, is long gone). So all the incoming suggestions/ solutions would solely be for future reference (then again, it's mighty handy to know up front which one's to avoid, or at least be aware of the possible danger/side effects)</p>
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<p>Thanks!</p> Hi Len and Jelle,
you have to…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-01:2177249:Comment:1379022014-10-01T08:34:22.655ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Len and Jelle,</p>
<p>you have to be very careful about which brand of grease and wax remover you chose - the serious spray painting stuff is mainly acetone (attached spec) based and will eat a nitro finish. </p>
<p>The naptha/white spirits based stuff is OK but unless you are a chemist you are going to find out by experience, which may not be good.</p>
<p>Hi Len and Jelle,</p>
<p>you have to be very careful about which brand of grease and wax remover you chose - the serious spray painting stuff is mainly acetone (attached spec) based and will eat a nitro finish. </p>
<p>The naptha/white spirits based stuff is OK but unless you are a chemist you are going to find out by experience, which may not be good.</p> Ok, thanks Len!tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-01:2177249:Comment:1378652014-10-01T07:58:06.416ZJelle van Tilburghttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JellevanTilburg
<p>Ok, thanks Len!</p>
<p>Ok, thanks Len!</p> Try "grease and wax remover"…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-09-30:2177249:Comment:1378522014-09-30T12:24:28.093ZLen Biglinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LenBiglin
<p>Try "grease and wax remover" its used before spraying cars , and I use it on guitars too , its ok with nitro and probably shellac , its cheap and effective and its at the auto shop .</p>
<p>Try "grease and wax remover" its used before spraying cars , and I use it on guitars too , its ok with nitro and probably shellac , its cheap and effective and its at the auto shop .</p> Thanks for that Rusty. It's…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-09-29:2177249:Comment:1378402014-09-29T01:51:51.374ZRichard Baleshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RichardBales
<p>Thanks for that Rusty. It's amazing the misinformation that gets distributed in the inter web.</p>
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<p>Perhaps the solution is an olive oil based glue?</p>
<p>Thanks for that Rusty. It's amazing the misinformation that gets distributed in the inter web.</p>
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<p>Perhaps the solution is an olive oil based glue?</p> Fish-eye Eliminator is not si…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-09-29:2177249:Comment:1377522014-09-29T01:21:02.899ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Fish-eye Eliminator is not silicone - otherwize it would be fish eye inducer. </p>
<p>The General MSDS for Fisheye Eliminator shows it to be a Ketone (Methyl n-amyl ketone for one specific). Acetone for instance is a Ketone,which as many will recognise is also a basic lacquer thinner for nitro and other related stuff.</p>
<p>It is an industrial solvent and comes in many derivations such as Butanone (MEK) which is a basic lacquer retarder (Retarder) that we know as a melt-in agent for nitro…</p>
<p>Fish-eye Eliminator is not silicone - otherwize it would be fish eye inducer. </p>
<p>The General MSDS for Fisheye Eliminator shows it to be a Ketone (Methyl n-amyl ketone for one specific). Acetone for instance is a Ketone,which as many will recognise is also a basic lacquer thinner for nitro and other related stuff.</p>
<p>It is an industrial solvent and comes in many derivations such as Butanone (MEK) which is a basic lacquer retarder (Retarder) that we know as a melt-in agent for nitro and as it turns out also forms the basis for Fish-eye Eliminator.</p>
<p>I wouldn't use it to draw out olive oil as its action on the surrounding finish will be significant. </p>
<p>Naptha, or Freon (if you can get it and wish to destroy the Ozone layer) will all work with repeat applications and as the glue action takes place in the surface layers of the wood it doesn't seem to be too difficult an ask to get enough depth of cleaning to allow the glue to do its job. </p>
<p>Any paste applied to the area presents the problem of having to then remove the residual paste to obtain a clean gluing surface which in the case of a center seam crack is problematical. Flushed Naptha would be my choice.</p>
<p>Also, water based glue such as Titebond won't mix with any residual olive oil.</p>
<p>Rusty.</p> Check this out thoroughly fir…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-09-29:2177249:Comment:1378902014-09-29T00:21:38.867ZRichard Baleshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RichardBales
<p>Check this out thoroughly first. I've heard that "fish-eye remover" is actually silicone. Supposedly it works like "hair of the dog". Not a good solution for additional refinishing. Anyone else who can add to this?</p>
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<p>Check this out thoroughly first. I've heard that "fish-eye remover" is actually silicone. Supposedly it works like "hair of the dog". Not a good solution for additional refinishing. Anyone else who can add to this?</p>
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