Order of Operations Question - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T08:57:39Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/order-of-operations-question?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A190253&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=notag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2806942021-08-07T21:10:55.725ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393371270?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393371270?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
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<p></p> tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2805962021-08-07T21:08:35.144ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370283?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370283?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370473?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370473?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370862?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370862?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370283?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370283?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370473?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370473?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370862?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393370862?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p></p> Finished shots:
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<p>Finished shots:…</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393366077?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393366077?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393366299?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393366299?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393369662?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393369662?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
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<p>Finished shots:</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393366299?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393366299?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393369494?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9393369494?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
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<p></p> I'll take additional shots of…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2807892021-08-07T17:20:53.664ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>I'll take additional shots of the finished guitar and post later.</p>
<p>I'll take additional shots of the finished guitar and post later.</p> Finished back repairs
Fini…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2805952021-08-07T17:20:04.534ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
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<p>Finished back repairs</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392834483?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392834483?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Finished top repairs</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835274?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835274?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Re-Gluing neck…</p>
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<p>Finished back repairs</p>
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<p>Finished top repairs</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835274?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835274?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Re-Gluing neck</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835861?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835861?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Glueing loose headstock veneer</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835895?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392835895?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Installing new bridge</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392838275?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392838275?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Leveling, crowning and polishing frets</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392841674?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392841674?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Saddle roughed in</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392880862?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392880862?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>New compensated bone saddle</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392887093?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392887093?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
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<p></p> DURING SHOTS:
New brace, 2nd…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2806932021-08-07T17:08:55.315ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>DURING SHOTS:</p>
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<p>New brace, 2nd brace repaired.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392829465?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392829465?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Top split repair</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392830485?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392830485?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a> Flattening top, glueing splits…</p>
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<p>DURING SHOTS:</p>
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<p>New brace, 2nd brace repaired.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392829465?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392829465?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Top split repair</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392830485?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392830485?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a>Flattening top, glueing splits</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392831072?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392831072?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Re-enforcing cleats inside top.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392831477?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392831477?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>New replacement bridge before slotting</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392832259?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392832259?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Bridge footprint</p>
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<p>Neck Joint</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392833480?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392833480?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Neck slot</p>
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<p></p> Missing back brace
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<p>Missing back brace</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392826700?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392826700?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
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<p>Missing back brace</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392826700?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392826700?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p></p> Bad previous repair.
Bottom…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2805012021-08-07T16:58:12.183ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p> Bad previous repair.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392823692?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><br></br><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392823692?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img> Bottom split.</a></p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825253?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825253?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Several back splits.…<a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825489?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825489?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p> Bad previous repair.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392823692?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><br/><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392823692?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/>Bottom split.</a></p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825253?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825253?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Several back splits.<a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825489?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825489?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392825893?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"></a>More back splits</p>
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<p></p> OK, Here are several "Before…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2807882021-08-07T16:53:32.154ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>OK, Here are several "Before shots".</p>
<p>The original thinned bridge, removed pick guard and split.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392820673?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392820673?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>One top split with superglue on finish.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392822689?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392822689?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Side split and binding shrinkage.…</p>
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<p>OK, Here are several "Before shots".</p>
<p>The original thinned bridge, removed pick guard and split.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392820673?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392820673?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>One top split with superglue on finish.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392822689?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392822689?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Side split and binding shrinkage.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392823261?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392823261?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Well, I'm delighted to say th…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2021-08-07:2177249:Comment:2806912021-08-07T16:47:09.976ZChris Vallillohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisVallillo
<p>Well, I'm delighted to say that after well over one and a 1/2 years, I have completed the restoration of the 1967 Guild F-30 NT Special and it is a stunning instrument! Thanks to everyone who pitched in with comments and advice!</p>
<p>As asked by folks, I have many shots to share. My standard work routine was to go forward until I found something I wasn't sure about then stop, research and try out the appropriate technique on other, less valuable instruments until I felt comfortable…</p>
<p>Well, I'm delighted to say that after well over one and a 1/2 years, I have completed the restoration of the 1967 Guild F-30 NT Special and it is a stunning instrument! Thanks to everyone who pitched in with comments and advice!</p>
<p>As asked by folks, I have many shots to share. My standard work routine was to go forward until I found something I wasn't sure about then stop, research and try out the appropriate technique on other, less valuable instruments until I felt comfortable enough to try it. That's one reason this took so long!</p>
<p>As it turns out there were several loose braces, top and back, as well as a missing back brace and a damaged one. I was able to re-glue and re-enforce the many splits (8 on the top, 8 on the back, 2 on the sides). It did need a neck re-set which proved to be challenging. This guitar has a dovetail shaped tendon, not an actual dovetail joint (so the joint doesn't naturally pull the heel together). I had not been able to locate any info on the Guild Neck joints other than to hear they could be touchy. It took a but of work to remove and re-seat. I had made a point of doing about 8 neck sets earlier this year to bone up for this one so I was as prepared as I could be. I'm pleased to say that the neck set did work out well though I did sweat some bullets! </p>
<p>I was able to measure the slot location and mark it and Andy Birko (Birkonium CNC) was kind enough to route the appropriate slot for me when he did a batch of vintage style Washburn replacement bridges for me.</p>
<p>While I had been able to repair the body without having to touch up the finish, when I removed the neck (heat stick didn't work, had to go with steam) there was minor damage to the finish so I decided to do a fair amount of drop filling before doing a light french polish to seal the finish. </p>
<p>I did more or less follow the order of operations above and everything did go according to plan. </p>
<p>Here's the list of what I did on this guitar:</p>
<p><span><b>Top: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span></p>
<p><span>Removed, cleaned, flattened and saved original pickguard</span></p>
<p><span>Removed old glue from 8 top splits</span></p>
<p><span>Clean, re-glued and leveled and 8 top splits</span></p>
<p><span>Installed 10 cleats to stabilize top cracks.</span></p>
<p><span>Repaired binding separations at waist on Bass and Treble sides</span></p>
<p><span>Re-glued loose braces</span></p>
<p><span>Drop filled damaged finish<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span>Prepped, micro meshed top finish</span></p>
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<p><span><b>Sides:</b></span></p>
<p><span>Removed glue from long side split</span></p>
<p><span>Cleaned, re-glued long side split</span></p>
<p><span>Installed cleats to stabilize crack</span></p>
<p><span>Cleaned up and drop filled large damaged area near end pin</span></p>
<p><span>Drop filled and sanded out large split and damaged areas</span></p>
<p><span>Micro meshed and polished sides</span></p>
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<p><span><b>Back:</b></span></p>
<p><span>Removed and repaired damaged back brace using wood from another damaged brace</span></p>
<p><span>Cut new back brace to original dimensions and tapering, glued in place</span></p>
<p><span>Removed old glue from 8 back splits.</span></p>
<p><span>Cleaned, re-glued and leveled 8 major back splits</span></p>
<p><span>Re-glued 2 back braces</span></p>
<p><span>Installed 25 cleats to stabilize back breaks and cracks</span></p>
<p><span>Glued three additional loose back braces</span></p>
<p><span>Drop filled damaged areas and cracks</span></p>
<p><span>Micro meshed and polished the back</span></p>
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<p><span><b>Additional work:</b></span></p>
<p><span>*Fingerboard cleaned, treated and polished</span></p>
<p><span>*Frets leveled, crowned and polished<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span><span class="Apple-converted-space">*Additional drop fill finish work </span></span></p>
<p><span>*French polish top, back and sides<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span> to blend in repairs and seal finish<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span>*Removed and replaced bridge with perfect copy <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span>*Routed saddle slot <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span>*Re-set Neck</span></p>
<p><span>*Headstock veneer re-glued <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p><span>*Flattened, cleaned and re-installed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span> original pickguard <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
<p><span><span class="Apple-converted-space">*Cut new bone compensated saddle </span></span></p>
<p><span>*Final set up, tweak action<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p><span><span class="Apple-converted-space">Low E string 3/32" @ the 12th fret, High E 2/32" @ the 12th fret.</span></span></p>
<p><span><span class="Apple-converted-space">The tone is massive, clear with brilliant highs and a full, rich, low end. </span></span></p>
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<p><span><span class="Apple-converted-space">I'll add in a series of Before, During and After shots in the following posts<a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392818052?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9392818052?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></span></span></p>
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