Removing fender epoxied in neck - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T11:30:51Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/removing-fender-epoxied-in-neck?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A174186&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe strongest and most temper…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-30:2177249:Comment:1741862017-10-30T18:13:24.955ZHenning Hojenhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HenningHojen
<p>The strongest and most temperture resistant epoxy is Permabond ET5401. Most other epoxies will soften at water's boiling point, although it might take some time. I see the neck was sacrified - - - Who did this and why is an open question, maybe for a better sustain ?</p>
<p>I hope the guitar was worth it !!</p>
<p>The strongest and most temperture resistant epoxy is Permabond ET5401. Most other epoxies will soften at water's boiling point, although it might take some time. I see the neck was sacrified - - - Who did this and why is an open question, maybe for a better sustain ?</p>
<p>I hope the guitar was worth it !!</p> The only way :-)tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-30:2177249:Comment:1739042017-10-30T11:07:24.019ZRoger Häggströmhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RogerHaeggstroem
<p>The only way :-)</p>
<p>The only way :-)</p> Way to go!tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-30:2177249:Comment:1741822017-10-30T03:50:43.266ZGlen Hhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GlenH
<p>Way to go!</p>
<p>Way to go!</p> A nice shiny finish on the…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-30:2177249:Comment:1735802017-10-30T02:51:23.931ZDavid Farmerhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/DavidFarmer
<p> A nice shiny finish on the neck let me break the bond with a little flexing. :-)…<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767612?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767612?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767918?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767918?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167768268?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167768268?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a></p>
<p> A nice shiny finish on the neck let me break the bond with a little flexing. :-)<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767612?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767612?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767918?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167767918?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167768268?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167768268?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167768621?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167768621?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167769458?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167769458?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167770009?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167770009?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167770905?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167770905?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> Hi Henning,
Titebond separate…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-19:2177249:Comment:1734872017-10-19T12:15:00.863ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Henning,</p>
<p>Titebond separates at 212F, Our mulit souce date shows epoxies will not start to lose strength up to 375F, You can boil epoxies joints for an hour and the epoxy will start to lose strength however this is probably not an option here where the substrate need to remain intact, In any instance, this is not a dovetail and there is around 8 square inches of blind glueing surface to contend with (not including the sides of the neck) For info,</p>
<p>Rusty.</p>
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<p>Hi Henning,</p>
<p>Titebond separates at 212F, Our mulit souce date shows epoxies will not start to lose strength up to 375F, You can boil epoxies joints for an hour and the epoxy will start to lose strength however this is probably not an option here where the substrate need to remain intact, In any instance, this is not a dovetail and there is around 8 square inches of blind glueing surface to contend with (not including the sides of the neck) For info,</p>
<p>Rusty.</p>
<p></p> The epoxy glued Fender neck :…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-18:2177249:Comment:1737822017-10-18T15:09:04.925ZHenning Hojenhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HenningHojen
<p>The epoxy glued Fender neck :</p>
<p>Try to drill tiny holes in the joint, go to a luthier wih steam equipment and steam the joint - most epoxy softens around 100 deg centigrade / 212 F. </p>
<p>If gluing necks it is wise to use hide glue - - it is easier to soften by steam.</p>
<p>What is easier to replace : the neck or the body ? Sure, it is an individual choice, but I guess it requires more skills to make a new neck than making a new body - - - ?? Neck making requires skills !! - and…</p>
<p>The epoxy glued Fender neck :</p>
<p>Try to drill tiny holes in the joint, go to a luthier wih steam equipment and steam the joint - most epoxy softens around 100 deg centigrade / 212 F. </p>
<p>If gluing necks it is wise to use hide glue - - it is easier to soften by steam.</p>
<p>What is easier to replace : the neck or the body ? Sure, it is an individual choice, but I guess it requires more skills to make a new neck than making a new body - - - ?? Neck making requires skills !! - and tools !!</p>
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<p>The guitar looks more like a Squier than a Fender ?? Fender necks on electrics have never been glued from factory !!</p> The neck does not belong to t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-12:2177249:Comment:1731012017-10-12T01:32:25.385ZRon Frazierhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RonFrazier
<p>The neck does not belong to that body as it does not fit!</p>
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<p>ron</p>
<p>The neck does not belong to that body as it does not fit!</p>
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<p>ron</p> a variation on the wide chise…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-11:2177249:Comment:1727772017-10-11T09:36:11.087ZJoshua Levin-Epsteinhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JoshuaLevinEpstein
<p>a variation on the wide chisel is some judicious tapping on the old kitchen knife along the joint in the cutaway.</p>
<p>a variation on the wide chisel is some judicious tapping on the old kitchen knife along the joint in the cutaway.</p> "The main methods used to sep…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-11:2177249:Comment:1731822017-10-11T05:51:14.203ZWalter W Wrighthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WalterWWright
<p><span>"The main methods used to separate or remove epoxy (industrial strength not K Mart stuff) are chemical/heat related and all out of the range of wood surfaces."</span></p>
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<p><span>it strikes me that somebody dumb enough to do this might have indeed used the "Kmart stuff". maybe some heat (steam? thin hot knife shoved in there?) might be enough to save the day.</span></p>
<p><span>"The main methods used to separate or remove epoxy (industrial strength not K Mart stuff) are chemical/heat related and all out of the range of wood surfaces."</span></p>
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<p><span>it strikes me that somebody dumb enough to do this might have indeed used the "Kmart stuff". maybe some heat (steam? thin hot knife shoved in there?) might be enough to save the day.</span></p> "before that I would put a wi…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2017-10-11:2177249:Comment:1729792017-10-11T05:45:12.150ZWalter W Wrighthttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WalterWWright
<p><span>"before that I would put a wide chisel tip into the neck heel flat section and give it a shock test tap just in case the job was done badly in the first case."</span></p>
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<p><span>before that i would give the perpetrator a good dope-slap and tell him to go guitar shopping.</span></p>
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<p><span>just how un-fixable is the neck itself? it might actually be more reasonable to go with heat-treating/refretting/whatever it takes to get it playing right as opposed to the ugly…</span></p>
<p><span>"before that I would put a wide chisel tip into the neck heel flat section and give it a shock test tap just in case the job was done badly in the first case."</span></p>
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<p><span>before that i would give the perpetrator a good dope-slap and tell him to go guitar shopping.</span></p>
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<p><span>just how un-fixable is the neck itself? it might actually be more reasonable to go with heat-treating/refretting/whatever it takes to get it playing right as opposed to the ugly task of ripping it out of the pocket.</span></p>