Seating frets - how well is well enough? - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T14:08:29Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/seating-frets-how-well-is-well-enough?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A153950&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYeah, I definitely have a lot…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-22:2177249:Comment:1564972016-02-22T18:25:53.037ZRussell Hollandhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellHolland
<p>Yeah, I definitely have a lot to learn in terms of learning to use the Jaws2, especially on the upper frets. I did my best to make proper cauls for clamping around the braces under the high frets, but I have no experience with this. There were some scary noises when clamping up and I really could've used an expert looking over my shoulder during those moments to keep me from going wrong. I created some small cracks on the back of the guitar when I clamped against it, thinking my clamp would…</p>
<p>Yeah, I definitely have a lot to learn in terms of learning to use the Jaws2, especially on the upper frets. I did my best to make proper cauls for clamping around the braces under the high frets, but I have no experience with this. There were some scary noises when clamping up and I really could've used an expert looking over my shoulder during those moments to keep me from going wrong. I created some small cracks on the back of the guitar when I clamped against it, thinking my clamp would be supported by the neck block. It might be just the finish.<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167754538?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167754538?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167755226?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167755226?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> Thanks, Hesh.
You mentioned w…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-22:2177249:Comment:1565932016-02-22T18:10:45.312ZRussell Hollandhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellHolland
<p>Thanks, Hesh.</p>
<p>You mentioned wire choice---any particular thoughts on my choice specifically? I had slots measuring around .021-.023". The tang on the old wire was .020-.021", and its barbs were around .034" (there had been some "whacking" done on all the frets on the bottom edge of the tang, which I assume was intended to make them hold better---my measurement could have been affected by these. I'll take some more measurements of the old wire later tonight if it will help make things…</p>
<p>Thanks, Hesh.</p>
<p>You mentioned wire choice---any particular thoughts on my choice specifically? I had slots measuring around .021-.023". The tang on the old wire was .020-.021", and its barbs were around .034" (there had been some "whacking" done on all the frets on the bottom edge of the tang, which I assume was intended to make them hold better---my measurement could have been affected by these. I'll take some more measurements of the old wire later tonight if it will help make things clearer). My wire was Jescar Evo, with a .020" tang and .032" barb. I was set on the Evo because of its hardness and didn't carefully consider that a wire of a different size may have been a better fit. LMI only had one kind of medium Evo fretwire, so I just ordered it, assuming that using the fret expander tool would make up for the fact that this wire was a little smaller than ideal. Was this a wrong assumption?</p>
<p>My frets are all done, so now I'm just thinking over what I've done and hoping to learn from mistakes and do better next time. I am happy with how it looks, though. (Still need to make a nut and saddle to really see how it turned out.) As I mentioned in another reply, my Martin 000-15m also has frets that allow a receipt paper to slide underneath, so it can't be the end of the world, though I definitely want to sort this out and improve fret seating in the future.</p>
<p>I did clamp some of them with Jaws <em>after </em>putting CA in the slot, leaving them for a few hours. Didn't keep good notes on exactly what was done to which frets, though, so I can't really assess which methods worked best. Will try to do that next time.</p> Years ago I watched a Dan Erl…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-22:2177249:Comment:1565872016-02-22T16:55:33.095ZJohnhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/John631
<p>Years ago I watched a Dan Erlwine video where he oversized the fret slots and then clamped and epoxied 3 at at time.</p>
<p>I've schemed on a fret press that could be operated by foot pressure, the linkage would be like a wine cork installer. If I get beyond scheming I'll post pics.</p>
<p>I've always had a problem with using a tool with the word ton in the description, on guitars. I have an old clamp that I modified to clamp frets.It works very and and has the added benefit that you can…</p>
<p>Years ago I watched a Dan Erlwine video where he oversized the fret slots and then clamped and epoxied 3 at at time.</p>
<p>I've schemed on a fret press that could be operated by foot pressure, the linkage would be like a wine cork installer. If I get beyond scheming I'll post pics.</p>
<p>I've always had a problem with using a tool with the word ton in the description, on guitars. I have an old clamp that I modified to clamp frets.It works very and and has the added benefit that you can leave a fret clamped in it until the glue dries.</p>
<p>Although I've used CA glue, I was taught to use PVA glue for frets. It works better than you'd expect and the clean up is easier. HHG might be a good candidate for gluing frets in, has anybody used it? </p>
<p>Russel, you're asking questions which is a good thing. Too often tools are bought with the expectation that the tool will do the job perfectly. If it doesn't the tool can be blamed. When I teach a tool sharpening seminar at Lee Valley, I make it clear that the tool will help, but, there is a skill level involved, your results will get better over time. </p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167764963?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167764963?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167765040?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2167765040?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> Tad,
I'm just anwering the qu…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-17:2177249:Comment:1545822016-02-17T22:44:06.415ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Tad,</p>
<p>I'm just anwering the question originally posed with as much information germane to the subject as I can fit in for consideration and so on. I don't get to have as much time these days to go over the forum in detail and my sense of humor has been somewhat diminished by the pressure of work eating into my inherit laziness and idle ways. </p>
<p>So, my general apologies are extended for now and anytime in the future to cover anything I may say or infer and as they say in…</p>
<p>Tad,</p>
<p>I'm just anwering the question originally posed with as much information germane to the subject as I can fit in for consideration and so on. I don't get to have as much time these days to go over the forum in detail and my sense of humor has been somewhat diminished by the pressure of work eating into my inherit laziness and idle ways. </p>
<p>So, my general apologies are extended for now and anytime in the future to cover anything I may say or infer and as they say in Frankies song: "refrets, I've had a few"...."but then again to many to mention"</p>
<p>Rusty.</p>
<p></p> I completely misinterpreted y…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-17:2177249:Comment:1544822016-02-17T18:14:22.716ZPaul Verticchiohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulVerticchio
<p>I completely misinterpreted your post, Tad. Emphasis on COMPLETELY.</p>
<p>My bad. My fault.</p>
<p>You have my apology.</p>
<p></p>
<p>I completely misinterpreted your post, Tad. Emphasis on COMPLETELY.</p>
<p>My bad. My fault.</p>
<p>You have my apology.</p>
<p></p> Sorry man you lost me. I know…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-17:2177249:Comment:1542412016-02-17T07:16:22.930Ztadej bratkovichttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/tadejbratkovic
Sorry man you lost me. I know he makes custom guitars and yes my question was a joke. We are getting completely on a wrong foot here. I described my recent experience with an Ibanez and its fret slots and Rusty replied about his tools. What does that have with anything?<br />
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Please don't tell me I should make a guitar as superior as his before I can tell a joke over the internet. This is just pure ad hominem fallacy.<br />
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Again, my initial post was for the OP. Even though I post rarely, I will try to…
Sorry man you lost me. I know he makes custom guitars and yes my question was a joke. We are getting completely on a wrong foot here. I described my recent experience with an Ibanez and its fret slots and Rusty replied about his tools. What does that have with anything?<br />
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Please don't tell me I should make a guitar as superior as his before I can tell a joke over the internet. This is just pure ad hominem fallacy.<br />
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Again, my initial post was for the OP. Even though I post rarely, I will try to resist the temptation next time. No, that seems legitimate.tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-16:2177249:Comment:1542392016-02-16T21:57:56.586ZAndrewhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Andrew715
No, that seems legitimate.
No, that seems legitimate. What? My desire for an S2 or…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-16:2177249:Comment:1541672016-02-16T21:55:24.340ZPaul Verticchiohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulVerticchio
<p>What? My desire for an S2 or S4? ;)</p>
<p>What? My desire for an S2 or S4? ;)</p> I dont think that was necessa…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-16:2177249:Comment:1541662016-02-16T21:48:01.175ZAndrewhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Andrew715
I dont think that was necessary, Paul. Noone's panties got twisted.
I dont think that was necessary, Paul. Noone's panties got twisted. Me too, Hesh.
I am absolutely…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-02-16:2177249:Comment:1540552016-02-16T21:47:23.288ZPaul Verticchiohttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PaulVerticchio
<p>Me too, Hesh.</p>
<p>I am absolutely "Jones'in" for an S2 or S4.</p>
<p>Does anyone have $4K they're willing to give me? ;)</p>
<p>Take care, buddy :)</p>
<p>Me too, Hesh.</p>
<p>I am absolutely "Jones'in" for an S2 or S4.</p>
<p>Does anyone have $4K they're willing to give me? ;)</p>
<p>Take care, buddy :)</p>