Translucent water based staining question - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T20:35:28Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/translucent-water-based?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A50778&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJust a big thanks again to al…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-31:2177249:Comment:508252011-01-31T18:52:36.029ZRoryhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Rory
<p>Just a big thanks again to all who have taken the time to help me out with this. I am a ways off of the pink staining yet, but will post the results eventually for your amusement or praise.</p>
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<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>Rory</p>
<p>Just a big thanks again to all who have taken the time to help me out with this. I am a ways off of the pink staining yet, but will post the results eventually for your amusement or praise.</p>
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<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>Rory</p> I would highly recommend that…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-28:2177249:Comment:510832011-01-28T02:41:24.444ZDave Foxhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/DaveFox
<p>I would highly recommend that you use an alcohol-based dye rather than water-based. That is, of course, a personal preference. I just don't like the idea of adding water back into the wood. I have used both kinds, equal success, but prefer the alcohol-based dyes. Both have the advantage of being much more vivid, more depth to the grain/figure, and colorfast/fade-proof/resistant. The disadvantages of water....re-introducing water into the wood, raising hair-fibers again,and too much…</p>
<p>I would highly recommend that you use an alcohol-based dye rather than water-based. That is, of course, a personal preference. I just don't like the idea of adding water back into the wood. I have used both kinds, equal success, but prefer the alcohol-based dyes. Both have the advantage of being much more vivid, more depth to the grain/figure, and colorfast/fade-proof/resistant. The disadvantages of water....re-introducing water into the wood, raising hair-fibers again,and too much water can causing warping issues. Disadvantages to alcohol...can suck through pores in really thin wood and be transmitted through the other side, can be drawn out into the lacquer if not sealed in with light coats first, can run and stain binding which necessitates extra scraping.</p>
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<p>Don't let any of that scare you. It just means be more careful each step of the way. </p>
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<p>Last, make sure that you wear gloves!!!!!! If you get the stain (either base) it will NOT come out right away. On the other hand, you might WANT to have a pair of pink hands for the next week or so.</p>
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<p>If you wish to see what an alcohol-based stain can look like, look at the mandolin in my avatar. That is an alcohol-based dye that is a bright red with a sunburst to yellow-red in the center and vignette to black around the edges. I mixed the colors myself. Total colors used: red, yellow, brown, black. The final application of black was airbrushed then the binding scraped.</p>
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<p> </p> OK, the dye color is close to…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-27:2177249:Comment:507782011-01-27T11:12:54.054ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>OK, the dye color is close to "Deeppink 3" - this is universal description for the WEB color. Magenta is also close. Magenta is red mixed with violet (violet is blue mixed with red). This is the best I can do for you - I use MEK dyes and some dilute with water or lacquer which means you can wipe them on - I use a very diluted mix and very wet to avoid smearing and inconsistent color at the edges of the pad. </p>
<p>I strongly recommend you practice on scrap and when you have…</p>
<p>OK, the dye color is close to "Deeppink 3" - this is universal description for the WEB color. Magenta is also close. Magenta is red mixed with violet (violet is blue mixed with red). This is the best I can do for you - I use MEK dyes and some dilute with water or lacquer which means you can wipe them on - I use a very diluted mix and very wet to avoid smearing and inconsistent color at the edges of the pad. </p>
<p>I strongly recommend you practice on scrap and when you have perfected that I suggest you repeat the process - this stuff can go wrong. Bear in mind that the color you mix will appear very different from the color you see under lacquer when illuminated with a strong light. Mix in too much blue and you will get purple. Go easy on the mix and start with a weak dilution. NB: I have not mixed this particular combination - I am going on what the publications say and show.</p> Hi Rory, the color you have i…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-27:2177249:Comment:507762011-01-27T10:36:00.844ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
Hi Rory, the color you have included in the imagery is not pink. You will be adding a different dye to the red base to get this color. I will go look for an answer to this problem and get back to you if I find it. No amount of messing around with diluted red will get this color.
Hi Rory, the color you have included in the imagery is not pink. You will be adding a different dye to the red base to get this color. I will go look for an answer to this problem and get back to you if I find it. No amount of messing around with diluted red will get this color. I was working with some shell…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-26:2177249:Comment:507562011-01-26T21:06:04.925ZTom Krebshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/TomKrebs
<p>I was working with some shellac. I put a couple drops of Stew Mac liquid stain in about a half ounce and layed it on some scrap maple. Pretty in pink!</p>
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<p>I was working with some shellac. I put a couple drops of Stew Mac liquid stain in about a half ounce and layed it on some scrap maple. Pretty in pink!</p>
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Rory I did an exp.last night and this is what i have come up with. You frist take some Amber stain and mix some water with it and put that on first .That will bring out the curly Maple grain when dry sand with 320 .Then go to home Depo and get your self a little can of Minwax water base white paint .Mix just a little bit of read stain in it to you get the pink you like rub on with a cloth.and let dry. light sand with 320 then Laquer it. We used to do Oak cabinets years ago with a white wash…
Rory I did an exp.last night and this is what i have come up with. You frist take some Amber stain and mix some water with it and put that on first .That will bring out the curly Maple grain when dry sand with 320 .Then go to home Depo and get your self a little can of Minwax water base white paint .Mix just a little bit of read stain in it to you get the pink you like rub on with a cloth.and let dry. light sand with 320 then Laquer it. We used to do Oak cabinets years ago with a white wash the same way I am sure that Ned knows all about that. Good luck Bill.''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' I have the book and i took a…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-26:2177249:Comment:507142011-01-26T04:24:02.676ZWilliam F.Edenhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WilliamFEden
I have the book and i took a quick look in it to night and did not see any thing in there that would help you with the pink .Unless you can put the white in it as well.
I have the book and i took a quick look in it to night and did not see any thing in there that would help you with the pink .Unless you can put the white in it as well. Jeff, Greg-I'll try diluting…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-26:2177249:Comment:507062011-01-26T02:07:10.746ZRoryhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Rory
<p>Jeff, Greg-I'll try diluting red & see what I get. Just happen to have some red wood dye that was kicking around so good enough for a quick test. As far as getting it on even with wiping, I wouldnt have thought it possible myself but I've been very encouraged by some really good step by step youtube videos of luthiers hand wiping on translucent stains. Even hand wiping stain to create very nice sunbursts and shading effects. They start with a well wetted wood surface so the stain will…</p>
<p>Jeff, Greg-I'll try diluting red & see what I get. Just happen to have some red wood dye that was kicking around so good enough for a quick test. As far as getting it on even with wiping, I wouldnt have thought it possible myself but I've been very encouraged by some really good step by step youtube videos of luthiers hand wiping on translucent stains. Even hand wiping stain to create very nice sunbursts and shading effects. They start with a well wetted wood surface so the stain will bleed a bit more & not show up lines as you make passes. One guy I saw on youtube does a green F- style mandolin, another guy is using the same method to do drums-all water based dyes. What shocked me was they wiped black all over it first, then sanded down & did the actual color- really popped the grain out. This is all new to me so Ill eventually post pics of what I end up with, for your amusement or hopefully praise! OK-Sounds like time to buy the stew mac finishing book.</p>
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<p>Rory</p> With a transparent stain pink…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-26:2177249:Comment:507032011-01-26T01:28:32.105ZGreg Mirkenhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregMirken
With a transparent stain pink is simply a less intense red. You will need to add blue to counter lacquered maple's tendency to look yellowish. Red+yellow=orange; not what you want. How do you expect to keep the color even wiping stain on? You can hide a little unevenness if you do a vignette effect. It helps to put a wash coat of shellac down first, also.<br/>
With a transparent stain pink is simply a less intense red. You will need to add blue to counter lacquered maple's tendency to look yellowish. Red+yellow=orange; not what you want. How do you expect to keep the color even wiping stain on? You can hide a little unevenness if you do a vignette effect. It helps to put a wash coat of shellac down first, also.<br/> Wouldn't you just get pink by…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-01-26:2177249:Comment:507002011-01-26T01:27:01.603ZJeff Highlandhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JeffHighland
Wouldn't you just get pink by diluting the dye and limiting the amounts, when applied to the white maple
Wouldn't you just get pink by diluting the dye and limiting the amounts, when applied to the white maple