truss rod position - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T21:53:17Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/truss-rod-position?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A131606&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNo, I didnt, hahatag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1319902014-05-04T17:13:25.853ZMicha Schellhaashttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MichaSchellhaas
<p>No, I didnt, haha</p>
<p>No, I didnt, haha</p> Hey Peter,
thanks for your lo…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1319882014-05-04T17:13:02.507ZMicha Schellhaashttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MichaSchellhaas
<p>Hey Peter,</p>
<p>thanks for your long answer, I enjoy you sharing the stuff about musicians and the Netherlands.</p>
<p>For the rest, I am building my guitars for fun, not for money or to boost my ego or to raise funds to boost my music. I have funded my music with music and teaching since 2004. I would have to build and sell quite a few more to actually get my money back for materials and tools, and to get a somewhat close to minimum wage compensation for my time, haha. I will rather spend…</p>
<p>Hey Peter,</p>
<p>thanks for your long answer, I enjoy you sharing the stuff about musicians and the Netherlands.</p>
<p>For the rest, I am building my guitars for fun, not for money or to boost my ego or to raise funds to boost my music. I have funded my music with music and teaching since 2004. I would have to build and sell quite a few more to actually get my money back for materials and tools, and to get a somewhat close to minimum wage compensation for my time, haha. I will rather spend my time on making music and keep building guitars for fun and keep getting better at it.</p> Thanks Thomas! I got the slot…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1318432014-05-04T16:54:16.191ZMicha Schellhaashttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MichaSchellhaas
<p>Thanks Thomas! I got the slot routed correctly. I was confused by the wide variety out there of piloted drill bits, for some of them you have to order drill and pilot separate etc. Rusty in his answer a couple comments down has great pics of how his truss rod access looks like.</p>
<p>Thanks Thomas! I got the slot routed correctly. I was confused by the wide variety out there of piloted drill bits, for some of them you have to order drill and pilot separate etc. Rusty in his answer a couple comments down has great pics of how his truss rod access looks like.</p> Thanks Rusty !!!
for this one…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1317632014-05-04T16:50:31.323ZMicha Schellhaashttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MichaSchellhaas
<p>Thanks Rusty !!!</p>
<p>for this one I will go with the Hot Rod since I routed the slot to correct depth. Your pictures look awesome and that's a great and clean method. Next one I will go with the Allied rods. Thanks again for the answer!</p>
<p>Thanks Rusty !!!</p>
<p>for this one I will go with the Hot Rod since I routed the slot to correct depth. Your pictures look awesome and that's a great and clean method. Next one I will go with the Allied rods. Thanks again for the answer!</p> Micha,
This is on of my older…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1317502014-05-04T16:19:17.464ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Micha,</p>
<p>This is on of my older builds which used the Hot Rod. To solve your problem is simple: select a "nut" sized drill, an "aircraft" or long drill is best but a standard length drill bit may work at a pinch if you chuck it with a minimum of shank and simply follow the channel into the neck using the bottom of the existing channel as a guide. Bore into the truss rod slot until the nut on the rod is aligned as pictured with an enlarged cylindrical bore from the slightly bigger…</p>
<p>Micha,</p>
<p>This is on of my older builds which used the Hot Rod. To solve your problem is simple: select a "nut" sized drill, an "aircraft" or long drill is best but a standard length drill bit may work at a pinch if you chuck it with a minimum of shank and simply follow the channel into the neck using the bottom of the existing channel as a guide. Bore into the truss rod slot until the nut on the rod is aligned as pictured with an enlarged cylindrical bore from the slightly bigger drill.</p>
<p>In other words, if this is not clear: the hand held power drill should come into the slot from where the channel exits the peghead. The way I used to put them in was to gig the neck in a pedestal drill and come down into the neck to meet the truss rod slot. This "blind" drilling was a bit off work but it was strong where it needed to be. </p>
<p>I don't use the hot rods any more because the LMI/Allied Lutherie rods are next-gen, shallower and more suited to our particular purpose. The latest stainless steel rods from Allied look pretty good as well. Where we are at present in our production guitars is also imaged FYI.</p>
<p>Rusty</p>
<p></p> Hi Brian,
It remains exactly…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1319832014-05-04T15:54:40.006ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>It remains exactly as it was, but, this forum is a dynamic place and things change - in this case a number of the main (usual suspects) contributors expressed their opinions as to what the forum purpose and Charter was and what they were prepared to support or not support. This did not involve anything other than one particular issue which had gone on too long at a level that was felt to be inappropriate.</p>
<p>Nobody like "no" and not everyone is a diplomat - but the way…</p>
<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>It remains exactly as it was, but, this forum is a dynamic place and things change - in this case a number of the main (usual suspects) contributors expressed their opinions as to what the forum purpose and Charter was and what they were prepared to support or not support. This did not involve anything other than one particular issue which had gone on too long at a level that was felt to be inappropriate.</p>
<p>Nobody like "no" and not everyone is a diplomat - but the way this forum operates is exceptional because it's a rare exception for anybody to have a major dummy spit or resort to personal invective. This is not a place where insult and anger is countenanced - any disagreement is usually addressed "off forum" by private message or request for mediation. The mediator will step in if it's way out of line, but generally lets us play by ourselves and resolve things locally.</p>
<p>It's a good place.</p>
<p>Rusty. </p>
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<p></p> Hi,
I have followed this "dis…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1318842014-05-04T14:58:10.906ZBrian T. Williamshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/BrianTWilliams
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have followed this "discussion" and as someone who has learned so much from the forum, I must say I am a little saddened by the way the thread turned sour.</p>
<p>I am not a luthier, guitar builder or technician, but as a gigging player, I do like to keep my instruments in tip top condition and have found the help and advice from our esteemed contributors to be second to none and I am so grateful for that.</p>
<p>However, after reading some of the posts I would like to be…</p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have followed this "discussion" and as someone who has learned so much from the forum, I must say I am a little saddened by the way the thread turned sour.</p>
<p>I am not a luthier, guitar builder or technician, but as a gigging player, I do like to keep my instruments in tip top condition and have found the help and advice from our esteemed contributors to be second to none and I am so grateful for that.</p>
<p>However, after reading some of the posts I would like to be re-assured that although I am not a member of the luthier or guitar technicians "club", I am welcome to come here (after research), to seek advice regarding my instruments upkeep and repair.</p>
<p>Fantastic, friendly forum..........please keep it that way...........peace & love............</p>
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<p>Brian.</p> Micha, Here is what is in the…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1315722014-05-04T13:12:21.337ZThomas Jameshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ThomasJames
<p>Micha, Here is what is in the instructions:</p>
<p>" ... Provide an access for the adjusting nut: For the Slotted nut, you'll need a 3/8"-diameter recess, 1/2" deep on line with the active rod, to accommodate the adjusting nut; for the 4mm Allen nut, use a 1/4" recess, about 1/2" deep; for the 1/4" Hex nut, use a 7/16" recess, about 1/2" deep. The recess can be made with a piloted drill bit, or by clamping a hardwood filler strip into the slot, and drilling as though there is no…</p>
<p>Micha, Here is what is in the instructions:</p>
<p>" ... Provide an access for the adjusting nut: For the Slotted nut, you'll need a 3/8"-diameter recess, 1/2" deep on line with the active rod, to accommodate the adjusting nut; for the 4mm Allen nut, use a 1/4" recess, about 1/2" deep; for the 1/4" Hex nut, use a 7/16" recess, about 1/2" deep. The recess can be made with a piloted drill bit, or by clamping a hardwood filler strip into the slot, and drilling as though there is no slot."</p>
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<p>FWIW. I understand your responses, and I think I see where you're coming from.</p>
<p></p> Many thanks from me as well,…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1318822014-05-04T13:10:12.169ZHesh Breakstonehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HeshBreakstone
<p>Many thanks from me as well, Peter! Your grasp of the matter is spot-on, eloquent, classy, inviting, and laced with gems of logic and history that compel one to sit back and think - a good thing!</p>
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<p>And help you most certainly have - Thank You!</p>
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<p>Moving on related is the topic of going ugly early..... and no, no, no I am not speaking of sizing up the crowd at the local bar at 8:00 PM while nervously checking out one's watch either.... What I am speaking of is…</p>
<p>Many thanks from me as well, Peter! Your grasp of the matter is spot-on, eloquent, classy, inviting, and laced with gems of logic and history that compel one to sit back and think - a good thing!</p>
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<p>And help you most certainly have - Thank You!</p>
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<p>Moving on related is the topic of going ugly early..... and no, no, no I am not speaking of sizing up the crowd at the local bar at 8:00 PM while nervously checking out one's watch either.... What I am speaking of is taking an interest in Lutherie commercial and blessing the world with one's creations, for better or worse....when one lacks experience. This is what I call going ugly early.</p>
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<p>We see lots of these instruments, individual Loofier.... (attribution to a fellow named Duh Padma) instruments that were never ready for prime time and then are sold to the unsuspecting who in turn bring them to us because the things are not right....</p>
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<p>We have a triage routine that we do with anything coming into our shop. These individual Loofier instruments get special attention though because often they are so very substandard in many respects that they represent an opportunity for a busy repair shop to loose their shirts so to speak if quoting is not done correctly while the client is still present and things can be pointed out and explained.</p>
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<p>What scares me is the 10 year old guitar that was so very poorly built... that it's a total loss at 10 and not even worth the money or effort to attempt to correct the things that can be corrected. Most of the mistakes are entirely preventable and the kind of mistakes that we would see from someone who learned in a vacuum, breathing their own air so-to-speak. Things such as using green wood (inexcusable....) or improper neck angles, nut and saddle work that looks like a two year old did it, loose frets with sharp ends, and of course the ole inaccessible truss rod adjustor that requires us to complete the building process of the guitar before we can even get a tool near the truss rod.</p>
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<p>Bridges lifting but also showing evidence of sloppy work under the bridge where the finish was not removed to the degree that it should have been, leaving available footprint on the table and not maximizing the instrument's potential to have it's bridge live in the intended area for very long.</p>
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<p>I'm an old product guy from GE where job one was not making money, job one was shielding the organization from potential liability..... Job two was making <span style="font-size: 13px;">money.....;)</span></p>
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<p><font size="2">As such I was always as nervous as a whore in church... about selling my own guitars and instead had some beta testers for some years before I decided to go ahead and sell my creations with reckless abandon..... (Can you see the impact that Peter's </font>writing<font size="2"> is having on mine....;)).</font></p>
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<p><font size="2">It's a big step selling one's instruments especially in the age of the Internet where one's entire career can be wrongly summarized by some disgruntled sort with a keyboard.</font></p>
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<p><font size="2">Only once did I ever build in a batch, more than one at once. Why? Because my goal is to learn from each one and not duplicate mistakes by putting them into production. The one batch of two that I built was also to learn, both identical guitars, both braced identically, all things the same except the materials. And as you may have guessed they are very different instruments tonally! That was the lesson.</font></p>
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<p><font size="2">Sometimes when going to the well for advice that bucket may come up the rope with some advice that may not have been requested. Instead of a "how To" guide to truss rods it looks as if this time the bucket also included a primer for interacting with those who assist others. Perhaps too that bucket contained some thoughts about the distinction between assisting someone to learn and assisting someone to profit.... And now that bucket also seems to hold some FUD (IBM speak for fear, uncertainty, and doubt) discussing the down side of..... going ugly early.</font></p>
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<p><font size="2">I'm just thankful that this bucket did not contain Woody's Johnson.....:)</font></p>
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<p><font size="2">PS: I call mine Cheney..... still looking for WMD....</font></p>
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<p></p> Hey Micha,
I bet you didn't e…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-05-04:2177249:Comment:1317492014-05-04T12:52:18.118ZMichael P. Lemieuxhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MichaelPLemieux
<p>Hey Micha,</p>
<p>I bet you didn't expect this to turn out like it did. Later,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
<p>Hey Micha,</p>
<p>I bet you didn't expect this to turn out like it did. Later,</p>
<p>Mike</p>