Tuner Hole Cracks - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T14:38:43Zhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/tuner-hole-cracks?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A91913&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCourtesy of Don Teeter's book…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-26:2177249:Comment:923292012-08-26T16:33:00.378ZRandall Curtis Bowmanhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RandallCurtisBowman
<p>Courtesy of Don Teeter's book, another fix would be to cut a small square patch, perhaps 1/8" thick or less. Size it to fit within the confines of the tuner backplate and then glue and trim. Once dried, do the pilot hole/waxed threads reattachment. He was using this on classical tuners but I've tried it on ones like this and it does work. You just have to make the patch fit the shape closer. </p>
<p>Courtesy of Don Teeter's book, another fix would be to cut a small square patch, perhaps 1/8" thick or less. Size it to fit within the confines of the tuner backplate and then glue and trim. Once dried, do the pilot hole/waxed threads reattachment. He was using this on classical tuners but I've tried it on ones like this and it does work. You just have to make the patch fit the shape closer. </p> Hey Greg, you seem pretty exp…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-25:2177249:Comment:920672012-08-25T04:51:02.352ZChristian Johnsonhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChristianJohnson
<p>Hey Greg, you seem pretty experienced with hide glue. I'll add one item: I generally don't use hide glue if there's any trace of old glue. It just doesn't grab. I only use it on bare wood. Just my 2 pennies. Glad it worked out.</p>
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<p>Nice cauls, btw</p>
<p>Hey Greg, you seem pretty experienced with hide glue. I'll add one item: I generally don't use hide glue if there's any trace of old glue. It just doesn't grab. I only use it on bare wood. Just my 2 pennies. Glad it worked out.</p>
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<p>Nice cauls, btw</p> Russell, you are brilliant!…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-20:2177249:Comment:921442012-08-20T22:16:12.557ZGregory Hiteshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregoryHites
<p>Russell, you are brilliant!</p>
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<p>Attached are fruits of my labor.</p>
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<p>Thanks for your great advice.</p>
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<p>Greg</p>
<p>Russell, you are brilliant!</p>
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<p>Attached are fruits of my labor.</p>
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<p>Thanks for your great advice.</p>
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<p>Greg</p> Hi Russell.
Yep I'm hip to t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-08:2177249:Comment:918212012-08-08T00:17:38.057ZGregory Hiteshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregoryHites
<p>Hi Russell.</p>
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<p>Yep I'm hip to the other ways. I don't particularly want to spline the crack and try to refin over it. I like your idea of the dowel installation with a dry clamp then glue it all together. In fact at this point I might do that with the other screw holes in the affected area. </p>
<p>I'll probably stick with Hide Glue as that's what I used originally. It's possible I over-dilluted it on the first try as another person suggested? So I'll mix up a new batch and…</p>
<p>Hi Russell.</p>
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<p>Yep I'm hip to the other ways. I don't particularly want to spline the crack and try to refin over it. I like your idea of the dowel installation with a dry clamp then glue it all together. In fact at this point I might do that with the other screw holes in the affected area. </p>
<p>I'll probably stick with Hide Glue as that's what I used originally. It's possible I over-dilluted it on the first try as another person suggested? So I'll mix up a new batch and give 'er another try. I also like the Epoxy idea, but... with the new enlarged dowels, Hide Glue should do the trick. (I hope) </p>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Greg</p> Hi Greg,
You appear to have s…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-07:2177249:Comment:917532012-08-07T23:42:05.475ZRussell Vancehttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>You appear to have sufficient gluing surface there and the cauls look OK, sounds like the glue let go before it should and in that case it's probably the old glue surface inside the crack not allowing the new glue to get to a clean substrate/surface, Clean it out as best you can and try again. Alternatively, clamp it up dry and bore out the screw hole and place a small hardwood dowel into the extended diameter screw position and then glue up the whole lot together with the…</p>
<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>You appear to have sufficient gluing surface there and the cauls look OK, sounds like the glue let go before it should and in that case it's probably the old glue surface inside the crack not allowing the new glue to get to a clean substrate/surface, Clean it out as best you can and try again. Alternatively, clamp it up dry and bore out the screw hole and place a small hardwood dowel into the extended diameter screw position and then glue up the whole lot together with the undrilled dowel in place. I'd be thinking epoxy at this stage of the mess but Titebond is suitable as well. </p>
<p>Drill the new wood dowel with the correct "number" drill for the screw and use the integrity of the new intact wood to hold the screw and take up the radial pressure of the screw. If the dowel is not to big Diameter-wise it will not show too much under the tuner. There are other ways but they are bit drastic and time consuming and require refinishing when done. R.</p>
<p> </p> Yes I did Ned, and I made sur…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-07:2177249:Comment:918172012-08-07T21:56:36.654ZGregory Hiteshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregoryHites
<p>Yes I did Ned, and I made sure to use the correct width drill bit for the screw. And I marked the length on the drill bit with some tape for the correct length. </p>
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<p>My thoughts are: I didn't completely clean out the tuner hole of dried glue? I used a rat-tail file to clean it out but maybe should've used a reamer. And when everything tighted down on that one tuner it spread the crack back out. </p>
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<p>I'm looking for other possible ideas before I heat up the ol'…</p>
<p>Yes I did Ned, and I made sure to use the correct width drill bit for the screw. And I marked the length on the drill bit with some tape for the correct length. </p>
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<p>My thoughts are: I didn't completely clean out the tuner hole of dried glue? I used a rat-tail file to clean it out but maybe should've used a reamer. And when everything tighted down on that one tuner it spread the crack back out. </p>
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<p>I'm looking for other possible ideas before I heat up the ol' glue pot again... I'll try to add a picture here of the resulting failure.</p>
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<p> </p> Greg, It looks like you fille…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-07:2177249:Comment:919132012-08-07T20:46:43.301ZNed Knepphttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>Greg, It looks like you filled the original screw holes at the bottom of the head stock. Did you predrill the hole when you installed the head?</p>
<p>Greg, It looks like you filled the original screw holes at the bottom of the head stock. Did you predrill the hole when you installed the head?</p> Maybe the glue wasn 't comple…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-07:2177249:Comment:917502012-08-07T18:03:08.766ZAlexander Lópezhttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/AlexanderLopez
<p>Maybe the glue wasn 't completely cured, or it was too diluted. After cleaning and letting it dry, I'd use cyanoacrylate.</p>
<p>Maybe the glue wasn 't completely cured, or it was too diluted. After cleaning and letting it dry, I'd use cyanoacrylate.</p> So after the repair was done…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-08-07:2177249:Comment:919112012-08-07T17:08:45.315ZGregory Hiteshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregoryHites
<p>So after the repair was done I installed the tuners only to have the treble side split again upon tightening down the last screw. Grrrrr.</p>
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<p>Any suggestions?</p>
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<p>help,</p>
<p>Greg</p>
<p>So after the repair was done I installed the tuners only to have the treble side split again upon tightening down the last screw. Grrrrr.</p>
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<p>Any suggestions?</p>
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<p>help,</p>
<p>Greg</p> Thank you Paul, I always valu…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2012-07-26:2177249:Comment:913432012-07-26T23:31:12.672ZGregory Hiteshttp://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregoryHites
<p>Thank you Paul, I always value your opinions in this forum.</p>
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<p>Greg</p>
<p>Thank you Paul, I always value your opinions in this forum.</p>
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<p>Greg</p>