Acoustic Pickups - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T14:48:59Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/acoustic-pickups?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A143386&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi John, Rory,
Very interest…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-21:2177249:Comment:1433452015-02-21T15:27:33.749ZJon Hiltbrandhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JonHiltbrand
<p>Hi John, Rory,</p>
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<p>Very interested to hear more about the Schatten HFN... Could you guys tell us a bit more about what kind of acts they are used in (solo, full band, etc.). Also, most reviews I've read favored the Schatten preamp over the K&K for active models. Any thoughts on that?</p>
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<p>I always forget about Schatten. I really like their tricone pickups. I don't think it can stand up to the highlander, but the sound quality for the money and ease of…</p>
<p>Hi John, Rory,</p>
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<p>Very interested to hear more about the Schatten HFN... Could you guys tell us a bit more about what kind of acts they are used in (solo, full band, etc.). Also, most reviews I've read favored the Schatten preamp over the K&K for active models. Any thoughts on that?</p>
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<p>I always forget about Schatten. I really like their tricone pickups. I don't think it can stand up to the highlander, but the sound quality for the money and ease of installation its still a great deal. </p>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jon</p> I'll second the Schatten HFN…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-20:2177249:Comment:1434282015-02-20T14:56:47.208ZJohnhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/John631
<p>I'll second the Schatten HFN system I've had great luck with it for years. Sounds great, installs easily and the only call callbacks you get are customers telling you how much they like it. </p>
<p>I'll second the Schatten HFN system I've had great luck with it for years. Sounds great, installs easily and the only call callbacks you get are customers telling you how much they like it. </p> I used double stick to instal…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1435042015-02-18T20:34:02.654ZLARRY KLOSEhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/LARRYKLOSE
<p>I used double stick to install my mandolin K&K. It fell off a few days later, so I re-installed it with clamps and it hasn't failed again in several years. I think the adhesive hardens up once the backing is peeled and it gets stronger with age. </p>
<p>As far as sound, I can't compare with a CA installation but it sounds just fine with plenty of output as I installed it--and there's no permanent attachment to the underside of the top to cause a problem if it's ever removed. On the…</p>
<p>I used double stick to install my mandolin K&K. It fell off a few days later, so I re-installed it with clamps and it hasn't failed again in several years. I think the adhesive hardens up once the backing is peeled and it gets stronger with age. </p>
<p>As far as sound, I can't compare with a CA installation but it sounds just fine with plenty of output as I installed it--and there's no permanent attachment to the underside of the top to cause a problem if it's ever removed. On the flamenco I have with the K&K classical, the builder installed it and I don't know how he did it. It also sounds fine.</p>
<p>Larry</p> One vote here for Schatten HF…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1432402015-02-18T17:54:30.589ZRoryhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Rory
<p>One vote here for Schatten HFN Artist pickups. Its an internal soundboard p/u with sensor built into a little rosewood block that looks like a very small mandolin bridge & mounts inside to the bridge plate. I have been consistently suprised at the tone from these pickups in every flat top instrument Ive used them in. Work good for the octave mando/ bouzouki family too. Can get it with a thumbwheel volume control or two thumbwheels- one volume and one tone.</p>
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<p>One vote here for Schatten HFN Artist pickups. Its an internal soundboard p/u with sensor built into a little rosewood block that looks like a very small mandolin bridge & mounts inside to the bridge plate. I have been consistently suprised at the tone from these pickups in every flat top instrument Ive used them in. Work good for the octave mando/ bouzouki family too. Can get it with a thumbwheel volume control or two thumbwheels- one volume and one tone.</p>
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<p>Rory</p> Good tip on the CA vs. double…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1434952015-02-18T16:19:50.830ZJon Hiltbrandhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JonHiltbrand
<p>Good tip on the CA vs. double stick, Ian. Thanks! I've not tried a K&K for many years and I don't remember being overly impressed (especially with output as compared with, say a passive UST). My thought was if they didn't sound good with a "temporary" installation, why make it permanent? Wouldn't have guessed the tape would make that big of a difference. Sounds like it is significant.</p>
<p>I will definitely try the CA. Thanks again!</p>
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<p>Good tip on the CA vs. double stick, Ian. Thanks! I've not tried a K&K for many years and I don't remember being overly impressed (especially with output as compared with, say a passive UST). My thought was if they didn't sound good with a "temporary" installation, why make it permanent? Wouldn't have guessed the tape would make that big of a difference. Sounds like it is significant.</p>
<p>I will definitely try the CA. Thanks again!</p>
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<p>Jon</p> Hi Ian,
The app is called "F…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1434942015-02-18T16:14:26.015ZJon Hiltbrandhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JonHiltbrand
<p>Hi Ian,</p>
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<p>The app is called "Frequensee".</p>
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<p>I've never used it myself, but these guys (a trio) use it and a single mic setup and they get a good sound with no feedback. I've only seen them in smaller venues. They've got vocals, guitar, mando or banjo, and an accordion (yes an accordion - only in Cincinnati! :P ) ... so I can't say how well this handles the lower frequencies. Also I know nothing else about their PA, EQ, etc...</p>
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<p>Jon</p>
<p>Hi Ian,</p>
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<p>The app is called "Frequensee".</p>
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<p>I've never used it myself, but these guys (a trio) use it and a single mic setup and they get a good sound with no feedback. I've only seen them in smaller venues. They've got vocals, guitar, mando or banjo, and an accordion (yes an accordion - only in Cincinnati! :P ) ... so I can't say how well this handles the lower frequencies. Also I know nothing else about their PA, EQ, etc...</p>
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<p>Jon</p> Hi Jon -- one thing I can adv…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1433202015-02-18T15:19:15.363ZDonald A. Fortunehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/DonaldAFortune
<p>Hi Jon -- one thing I can advise you on is to be very careful on how you use a mic that is designed for the inside of a guitar box-- the reason is because they are very sensitive and feed back can be a big problem -- other than that you wont get a truer sound from it.. best to you in your search for what it is that you are looking for... peace, Donald</p>
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<p>Hi Jon -- one thing I can advise you on is to be very careful on how you use a mic that is designed for the inside of a guitar box-- the reason is because they are very sensitive and feed back can be a big problem -- other than that you wont get a truer sound from it.. best to you in your search for what it is that you are looking for... peace, Donald</p>
<p></p> I too, can't say enough good…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1434082015-02-18T07:00:45.327ZIan Penderhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/IanPender
I too, can't say enough good things about the K&K. I have one in my main guitar as well, it's far more natural sounding than an under saddle, and I love not having to worry about batteries. I still will occasionally recommend under saddle pickups for any customer who's playing in a large group and needs to cut through the mix without feedback. For that, I'll usually go with the Fishman Matrix Infinity, it's not too pricey, and it doesn't sound awful, as far as USTs go.<br />
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A question for the…
I too, can't say enough good things about the K&K. I have one in my main guitar as well, it's far more natural sounding than an under saddle, and I love not having to worry about batteries. I still will occasionally recommend under saddle pickups for any customer who's playing in a large group and needs to cut through the mix without feedback. For that, I'll usually go with the Fishman Matrix Infinity, it's not too pricey, and it doesn't sound awful, as far as USTs go.<br />
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A question for the other K&K users here, do you install using CA, or the supplied double stick? I always use the CA. I once had a customer specifically request that I use the double stick however. K&K says that the volume loss when using the double stick can be up to 30%, but when I plugged it in, I thought that I had a defective unit. Very low and muddy output. I ended up redoing that one with CA, and it was just fine. Would love to hear more about…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1434052015-02-18T06:50:46.269ZIan Penderhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/IanPender
Would love to hear more about that app.
Would love to hear more about that app. Thanks, Larry! Sound like I n…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2015-02-18:2177249:Comment:1432332015-02-18T04:17:23.080ZJon Hiltbrandhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JonHiltbrand
<p>Thanks, Larry! Sound like I need to check out this Lyric or maybe even a full Anthem. I like the idea of versatility.</p>
<p>Thanks, Larry! Sound like I need to check out this Lyric or maybe even a full Anthem. I like the idea of versatility.</p>