Changing a UST to Different Type Transducer - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T19:39:26Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/changing-a-ust-to-different-type-transducer?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A178379&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRusty, I meant to reply soone…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-10-04:2177249:Comment:1809232018-10-04T22:28:51.436ZGreg Millerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregMiller
<p>Rusty, I meant to reply sooner but have been busy at the day job. Your acceptance of my apology means much to me and hope all is well. Anyway, looking around on the forum for some acoustic sound board repair as I made an error that I'm learning from trying a 'floating' pick guard approach similar to an arch top guard mounting. Greg </p>
<p>Rusty, I meant to reply sooner but have been busy at the day job. Your acceptance of my apology means much to me and hope all is well. Anyway, looking around on the forum for some acoustic sound board repair as I made an error that I'm learning from trying a 'floating' pick guard approach similar to an arch top guard mounting. Greg </p> Apology accepted Greg, I'm no…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-09-13:2177249:Comment:1803762018-09-13T02:53:26.762ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Apology accepted Greg, I'm not the enforcer here nor do I think I know much more than anyone else, but we are here to pass on as much of our knowledge and processes as possible to ensure that our hard won and real information is not lost in the maelstrom of BS that surrounds our industry, trade, hobby and pastimes. To do this over a long period is challenging and I'm getting cranky like an old cat, so please allow me to apologies for my lack of patience. We are here for all levels and…</p>
<p>Apology accepted Greg, I'm not the enforcer here nor do I think I know much more than anyone else, but we are here to pass on as much of our knowledge and processes as possible to ensure that our hard won and real information is not lost in the maelstrom of BS that surrounds our industry, trade, hobby and pastimes. To do this over a long period is challenging and I'm getting cranky like an old cat, so please allow me to apologies for my lack of patience. We are here for all levels and while this forum is somewhat hierarchical, it is for good reason.</p>
<p>Thanks Greg, I like your blind jig for "in the box" installation and I look forward to hearing your findings as we go on,</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p> Rusty. </p>
<p></p> Did not by any means want to…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-09-13:2177249:Comment:1803752018-09-13T00:50:24.417ZGreg Millerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregMiller
<p>Did not by any means want to offend you Rusty. Apologize if taken that way. In short all I was saying was I was pleased with my results using the information from you as well as others and trying to share the experience. Non of this was meant as 'flaming' another member especially one of much greater skill and experience. Hopefully you as well as others will accept my apology as I wish to learn as well as share my experiences for the good of all. Greg</p>
<p>Did not by any means want to offend you Rusty. Apologize if taken that way. In short all I was saying was I was pleased with my results using the information from you as well as others and trying to share the experience. Non of this was meant as 'flaming' another member especially one of much greater skill and experience. Hopefully you as well as others will accept my apology as I wish to learn as well as share my experiences for the good of all. Greg</p> I'm just catching up on my re…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-09-13:2177249:Comment:1806092018-09-13T00:07:58.384ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>I'm just catching up on my reading: its not a competition here Greg and there is good reason why a lot of the formally trained, very experienced and accomplished senior people who have been there done that and run or work in large operations no longer actively engage on the forum. Well meaning newbies often get overenthusiastic and forget that the advice we give is general in nature as we have no way of validating what if anything is actually happening out there in web/forum land where…</p>
<p>I'm just catching up on my reading: its not a competition here Greg and there is good reason why a lot of the formally trained, very experienced and accomplished senior people who have been there done that and run or work in large operations no longer actively engage on the forum. Well meaning newbies often get overenthusiastic and forget that the advice we give is general in nature as we have no way of validating what if anything is actually happening out there in web/forum land where voodoo and BS reigns supreme and unsubstantiated. I adopt the policy of not really getting too excited about an amateur self-reporting that he cracked the atom or inventing a cure for cancer (or in this case in point made a baseline cheap guitar with a crap UST sound better by installing a higher quality pickup). Just talking about stuff and comparing apples to oranges <em>proves</em> little in our environment, And don't "capitalise" please - you only draw attention to your statement and this is not a forum where newbies flame other members, not this one anyway. </p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Rusty.</p> Good idea on having the groov…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-09-12:2177249:Comment:1805572018-09-12T23:49:19.124ZGreg Millerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregMiller
<p>Good idea on having the grooves for the wires. I'll have to take a picture of the installation jig I made and send along. As I wrote before my jig is basically two aluminum plates with screws that go thru the two E bridge pin holes. The plate that holds the sensors has an additional plastic (ABS) shoe attached which I made several of different profiles/sizes to fit multiple guitars. As far as pinching the wires I didn't have any trouble since I used temporary mounting putty to hold the…</p>
<p>Good idea on having the grooves for the wires. I'll have to take a picture of the installation jig I made and send along. As I wrote before my jig is basically two aluminum plates with screws that go thru the two E bridge pin holes. The plate that holds the sensors has an additional plastic (ABS) shoe attached which I made several of different profiles/sizes to fit multiple guitars. As far as pinching the wires I didn't have any trouble since I used temporary mounting putty to hold the sensors while gluing (Thick enough for hold while also giving wire clearance). Having the wire grooves would provide more stability which was something I wrestled with. I noticed your mention of T88 epoxy. Assume your talking about the adhesive for the transducers to the bridge plate. I used gel super glue which seemed to work fine . Both K&K and JJB recommend the super glue. If one wanted to remove the sensors the super glue may be less damaging to the bridge plate with care versus an epoxy. I'm not sure what would make a transducer fail needing to replace them. Funny you mention the carpet tape. I tried using that to temporarily hold the sensors but it didn't work nearly as well as the putty. Doesn't work so hot for carpet either but works great vinyl plank flooring (a project that has taken too much of my time). Regards</p> I can’t recommend using T88 e…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-09-12:2177249:Comment:1805552018-09-12T04:24:18.607ZMike Cornwallhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeCornwall
I can’t recommend using T88 epoxy strongly enough, that carpet tape is bound to come unstuck at the worst time and it’s so rubbery it’s gotta be killing overtones. A caul like the one I posted keeps the wires from getting squished and puts all 3 pickups where you want them. Use something the epoxy won’t stick to, like a piece of a cutting board from the dollar tree or Delrin if you’re feeling speedy. I have a ton of that stuff if you need any.
I can’t recommend using T88 epoxy strongly enough, that carpet tape is bound to come unstuck at the worst time and it’s so rubbery it’s gotta be killing overtones. A caul like the one I posted keeps the wires from getting squished and puts all 3 pickups where you want them. Use something the epoxy won’t stick to, like a piece of a cutting board from the dollar tree or Delrin if you’re feeling speedy. I have a ton of that stuff if you need any. This is what worked for me
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<p>I researched the K&K Pure Mini before deciding which way to go and say their jig. The difference between what they have and what I did is they mount each transducer individually where my jig does all three at one time. If I were to make a new improved jig I'd use plexiglass versus aluminum like the K&K jig. After doing the first guitar having some more visibility inside the body would have been let's say comforting. If you go the JJB route I'd suggest that you go with their 20mm…</p>
<p>I researched the K&K Pure Mini before deciding which way to go and say their jig. The difference between what they have and what I did is they mount each transducer individually where my jig does all three at one time. If I were to make a new improved jig I'd use plexiglass versus aluminum like the K&K jig. After doing the first guitar having some more visibility inside the body would have been let's say comforting. If you go the JJB route I'd suggest that you go with their 20mm transducers perhaps only needing two if you have enough space on your bridge plate. I chose three 15mm sensors because my bridge plates were small and I slot my peg holes for strings and I didn't want to risk things getting messed up. </p> It looks like the JJB three-t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-07-16:2177249:Comment:1795092018-07-16T01:55:12.495ZPatrick Corriganhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/PatrickCorrigan
<p>It looks like the JJB three-transducer unit is about half the street price (and a third of the retail price) of the K&K Pure Mini. I might try this to replace the under-saddle pickup on my Martin Shenandoah D-2832. I should mention that the K&K does come with an installation jig that looks like it would make the job pretty straightforward. I just didn't want to try it for the first time on my HD-28V! You can see the jig they supply here: …</p>
<p>It looks like the JJB three-transducer unit is about half the street price (and a third of the retail price) of the K&K Pure Mini. I might try this to replace the under-saddle pickup on my Martin Shenandoah D-2832. I should mention that the K&K does come with an installation jig that looks like it would make the job pretty straightforward. I just didn't want to try it for the first time on my HD-28V! You can see the jig they supply here: <a href="http://kksound.com/pdf/puremini.pdf" target="_blank">http://kksound.com/pdf/puremini.pdf</a></p> Thanks Patrick. I did simila…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2018-07-15:2177249:Comment:1798032018-07-15T22:43:46.282ZGreg Millerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/GregMiller
<p>Thanks Patrick. I did similar but used a three 15mm bridge plate mounted transducers ganged to a mating plug fitting the existing on-board preamp (Epiphone/Shadow Esonic). I chose JJB Electronics which is just as good in quality as K&K and much less cost (small family business). Although the preamp input impedance is specified 4.7K Ohm which many of us think is incorrect but Shadow Electronics wouldn't confirm or deny, and the happy spot as said by JJB is 1M Ohm, my initial test with…</p>
<p>Thanks Patrick. I did similar but used a three 15mm bridge plate mounted transducers ganged to a mating plug fitting the existing on-board preamp (Epiphone/Shadow Esonic). I chose JJB Electronics which is just as good in quality as K&K and much less cost (small family business). Although the preamp input impedance is specified 4.7K Ohm which many of us think is incorrect but Shadow Electronics wouldn't confirm or deny, and the happy spot as said by JJB is 1M Ohm, my initial test with just a slaved in saddle (not really fitted properly) was like night and day. The guitar with older strings at the moment sounded like it had fresh strings with the difference between UST and the new rig. SO MY KINDLY ARGUING WITH RUSTY WAS CORRECT! I PROVED MY THEORY! That being good coupling between all the components at the bridge. I HOPE RUSTY IS READING THIS. As I am going to do the same with other guitars and to make the mounting of the bridge plate transducers more precise gluing multiple sensors at one time, I made a clamp (basically two aluminum plates with screws that go thru the E peg holes and knurl knobs). One clamp screw is slotted to adjust for different peg hole spreads. There are some other parts (plastic glue plate on the lower aluminum fixture, ferrules on the screws to make it peg hole friendly, and a felt pad beneath the top plate). The procedure involves making a thin cardboard template of the peg holes, saddle orientation, and transducer(s) location. Then trace the pattern to masking tape on the clamp glue plate, use temp putty to hold the sensors, then mount all of them. Works great. Regards, Greg </p>