Hot Hide Glue - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T17:28:10Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/hot-hide-glue?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A160516&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks. Food for thought.--Bobtag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-19:2177249:Comment:1605162016-05-19T22:37:53.393ZBob Gleasonhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/BobGleason
<p>Thanks. Food for thought.--Bob</p>
<p>Thanks. Food for thought.--Bob</p> Mario is very clever and even…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-19:2177249:Comment:1606992016-05-19T21:44:32.050ZHesh Breakstonehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HeshBreakstone
<p>Mario is very clever and even uses HHG's tendency to jell on the outside of the bead as a feature for his method.</p>
<p>Mario is very clever and even uses HHG's tendency to jell on the outside of the bead as a feature for his method.</p> Here ya go Bob: Mario Proulx…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-19:2177249:Comment:1604122016-05-19T21:43:45.309ZHesh Breakstonehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HeshBreakstone
<p>Here ya go Bob: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC78Z9zFG0I" target="_blank">Mario Proulx HHG Attaching Back</a></p>
<p>Here ya go Bob: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC78Z9zFG0I" target="_blank">Mario Proulx HHG Attaching Back</a></p> So, after all this input on H…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-19:2177249:Comment:1605122016-05-19T16:34:13.758ZBob Gleasonhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/BobGleason
<p>So, after all this input on HHG, I'm off and using it. I love it, and much of my trepidation about using it has been dispelled. Using Franks microwave idea and ideas from other posts, the prep time at the beginning of the day is only about 5 minutes. I had also thought that it would be a mess using this stuff. It actually turns out to be tidier than Titebond. Not a lot of gooey yellow squeeze out to clean up. Of course if things start to fall apart, I'll be singing a different tune. Ukuleles…</p>
<p>So, after all this input on HHG, I'm off and using it. I love it, and much of my trepidation about using it has been dispelled. Using Franks microwave idea and ideas from other posts, the prep time at the beginning of the day is only about 5 minutes. I had also thought that it would be a mess using this stuff. It actually turns out to be tidier than Titebond. Not a lot of gooey yellow squeeze out to clean up. Of course if things start to fall apart, I'll be singing a different tune. Ukuleles are so small that working fast enough to get parts together is not a problem,. Yesterday, while putting a top and back on a uke, I started to think about how I'm going to pull that off on a guitar in a few days. How do you get guitar tops and backs on before the glue dries? Wondering how builders approach that.--Bob</p> Thanks, Rusty... those are ex…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-17:2177249:Comment:1606942016-05-17T16:16:24.215ZMike Kolbhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
<p>Thanks, Rusty... those are excellent little vids. I saw a lot of my "continuing errors" showcased there, particularly the shelf life of PVA's. </p>
<p>I've got a bad habit of marrying-up old bottles of almost-empty containers and, as a result, there's bound to be some glue on my bench that could be years old! Tsk-tsk.</p>
<p>So, today, I'll be chucking my old standbys and treating myself to a couple of new small bottles of fresh Titebond. Heck yeah! </p>
<p>Great info, too on the…</p>
<p>Thanks, Rusty... those are excellent little vids. I saw a lot of my "continuing errors" showcased there, particularly the shelf life of PVA's. </p>
<p>I've got a bad habit of marrying-up old bottles of almost-empty containers and, as a result, there's bound to be some glue on my bench that could be years old! Tsk-tsk.</p>
<p>So, today, I'll be chucking my old standbys and treating myself to a couple of new small bottles of fresh Titebond. Heck yeah! </p>
<p>Great info, too on the "hydraulics" properties of liquid glue in captured joints, not to mention the surface prep and accuracy needed on joint faces. Thanks again. </p> Nice little set of videos. I…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-17:2177249:Comment:1604042016-05-17T16:10:28.996ZBob Gleasonhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/BobGleason
<p>Nice little set of videos. I like the fact that they were oriented to being informative rather than just pushing the Titebond name.</p>
<p>Nice little set of videos. I like the fact that they were oriented to being informative rather than just pushing the Titebond name.</p> Hello guys,
Titebond have put…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-17:2177249:Comment:1604912016-05-17T14:02:29.719ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hello guys,</p>
<p>Titebond have put out a recent vid on all sorts of things associated with clamping and clamping pressure.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.titebond.com/news_article/13-05-01/Video_Spotlight_Clamping_Pressure.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.titebond.com/news_article/13-05-01/Video_Spotlight_Clamp...</a></p>
<p>If you cannot get this up, google Titbond clamping pressure and follow the links. </p>
<p>One thing that is a variable and we take account of it is that…</p>
<p>Hello guys,</p>
<p>Titebond have put out a recent vid on all sorts of things associated with clamping and clamping pressure.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.titebond.com/news_article/13-05-01/Video_Spotlight_Clamping_Pressure.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.titebond.com/news_article/13-05-01/Video_Spotlight_Clamp...</a></p>
<p>If you cannot get this up, google Titbond clamping pressure and follow the links. </p>
<p>One thing that is a variable and we take account of it is that gluing pressure with maple or other tight grained timber is a bit less than you can apply with open grained timber such as mahogany - also we like to keep our glue lines as undetectable as possible. The emphasis Titebond place on accurate surface machining and prep is also for good reason. Clamp positioning and number of clamps is also a factor that needs to be understood. We use more than we need and often do "one under one over" to get everything flat and unstressed. The vid also deals with shelf life and other such interesting things.</p>
<p>Rusty.</p> I imagine it is fairly easy t…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-16:2177249:Comment:1604892016-05-16T06:49:13.233ZBob Gleasonhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/BobGleason
<p>I imagine it is fairly easy to over clamp with some of the gizmos I see people using, but that's just subjective on my part. Overthinking, yes guilty as charged. My first instrument in 1971 was easy. I knew nothing, so nothing to be bothered by. 45 years later, each instrument is more difficult than the last one because I now understand there is so much to know that I still don't. Just good enough work for me for years, but it no longer does. As long as it's fun, then it's not really work,…</p>
<p>I imagine it is fairly easy to over clamp with some of the gizmos I see people using, but that's just subjective on my part. Overthinking, yes guilty as charged. My first instrument in 1971 was easy. I knew nothing, so nothing to be bothered by. 45 years later, each instrument is more difficult than the last one because I now understand there is so much to know that I still don't. Just good enough work for me for years, but it no longer does. As long as it's fun, then it's not really work, so that's cool! Thanks for the feedback. Enjoy your building.--Bob</p> Seems you may be over analyzi…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-16:2177249:Comment:1604032016-05-16T01:32:33.577Zjbbancrofthttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JamesBBancroft
<p>Seems you may be over analyzing the process. Most of the questions you've asked I never thought of.</p>
<p>I don't think you can over clamp, I clamp as tight as possible. When done for the day with the glue, store leftovers in the refrigerator, otherwise mold can form and it can go bad quickly. I always use a small glass jar for the glue mixture, I don't have it directly in the pot. When I'm done I just unplug glue pot, remove glass jar of glue and place in refrigerator. There is just water…</p>
<p>Seems you may be over analyzing the process. Most of the questions you've asked I never thought of.</p>
<p>I don't think you can over clamp, I clamp as tight as possible. When done for the day with the glue, store leftovers in the refrigerator, otherwise mold can form and it can go bad quickly. I always use a small glass jar for the glue mixture, I don't have it directly in the pot. When I'm done I just unplug glue pot, remove glass jar of glue and place in refrigerator. There is just water in the glue pot, the glue mixture is in a jar.</p>
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<p>Once you've used HHG for awhile you forget the slight inconvenience in using it.</p>
<p>Titebond isn't much fun to work with after you get used to HHG. Also HHG has minimal creep when clamping. Just an all round better experience using it. </p>
<p>I've been using HHG for over 30 years now and enjoy using it.</p>
<p>Jim</p> Ron, So what is your take on…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2016-05-15:2177249:Comment:1603982016-05-15T23:42:38.724ZBob Gleasonhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/BobGleason
<p>Ron, So what is your take on too tight and are you talking about Titebond or other glues. It is a difficult subject to determine what is right or wrong, but I'm sure clamping pressure is important. I started this discussion specifically talking about top and back center joints on instruments and that's still my concern. I've never, ever had a complete failure, and I'm up to several thousand joins with building and repair, with Titebond, but I've see a lot of seams that show some appearance…</p>
<p>Ron, So what is your take on too tight and are you talking about Titebond or other glues. It is a difficult subject to determine what is right or wrong, but I'm sure clamping pressure is important. I started this discussion specifically talking about top and back center joints on instruments and that's still my concern. I've never, ever had a complete failure, and I'm up to several thousand joins with building and repair, with Titebond, but I've see a lot of seams that show some appearance of not being flat in time. The variables are extreme. Hardness of the wood, type of glue, clamping pressure, adequate prep of the wood before joining, heat, humidity, and many more. At the moment I'm turning my attention to the glue itself. Today I finally did my first HHG top. I did the clamping with my usuall wedge method shown in the photo. I know that some people don't even clamp HHG, so I'm wondering if I'm over doing it. Any responses appreciated. As a side note, since it is said you can rejuvenate HHG jin a glued joint just by adding more HHG, why can't I just let the small ounce or so of HHG that I have in my glue pot just harden on it's own right there?. Today I just turned on the pot, added a little water, and the glue softened just fine. I can see the refrigeration idea for large batches of glue, but is it necessary for for a small batch? Just curious. I have already decided that the reason HHG is not used more is because builders don't want to fool with the prep. It's a lot easier to come in the morning and just chew the crusty Titebond off the bottle and get to work!</p>