L&H Mandolin Puzzle - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T13:33:00Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/lh-mandolin-puzzle?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A7458&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOkay gentlemen, the mandolin…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2009-07-28:2177249:Comment:165712009-07-28T20:18:42.665ZSteve Bakerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/SteveBaker
Okay gentlemen, the mandolin is done. Thank you all for your input. <a href="http://www.chicagofretworks.com/2009/07/27/lyon-and-healy-mandolin-a-complex-headstock-repair/" target="_blank">Here's the link to our blog post on the whole repair.</a><br />
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After staring at it a little more, Dan and I actually decided on a little bit lower tech approach than we discussed here. The prospect of removing the fretboard and the resulting likelihood of having to refinish the whole neck was looming and we just…
Okay gentlemen, the mandolin is done. Thank you all for your input. <a href="http://www.chicagofretworks.com/2009/07/27/lyon-and-healy-mandolin-a-complex-headstock-repair/" target="_blank">Here's the link to our blog post on the whole repair.</a><br />
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After staring at it a little more, Dan and I actually decided on a little bit lower tech approach than we discussed here. The prospect of removing the fretboard and the resulting likelihood of having to refinish the whole neck was looming and we just felt like there might be a simpler way. We felt that the nut shelf gave us just enough extra room to inlay a mahogany block through the top rather than the back of the neck. It meant minimal finish work and the repair is completely covered by a faceplate. Best of all, it worked without removing the fretboard. It's strung up and feels solid as a rock - or as solid as a 100 year old mandolin can feel. I'll let you know if it ever comes back, but I think this one is good to go and the owner is very happy.<br />
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This was one of those repairs where we had to ask the owner to forget about it for a few months while we figured out a strategy. Luckily, we got one of those guys who says "No problem and no rush."<br />
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Thanks again for all your thoughts and ideas. They were all helpful. A lot of good thoughts here f…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74852008-12-31T16:32:17.017ZSteve Bakerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/SteveBaker
A lot of good thoughts here fellas. Thanks. I'll keep checking here for others but it's good to workshop ideas like this. We try to use the glue that makes sense for each job and we don't shy away from epoxy when appropriate. I totally agree that the ultimate goal of this repair is to make it hard and fast so it won't break again so there will definately be epoxy involved - and likely some graphite too!<br />
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I'll post the results in a few months when it's done.
A lot of good thoughts here fellas. Thanks. I'll keep checking here for others but it's good to workshop ideas like this. We try to use the glue that makes sense for each job and we don't shy away from epoxy when appropriate. I totally agree that the ultimate goal of this repair is to make it hard and fast so it won't break again so there will definately be epoxy involved - and likely some graphite too!<br />
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I'll post the results in a few months when it's done. If it were mine to do, I thin…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74662008-12-31T10:07:45.560ZNed Knepphttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
If it were mine to do, I think I'd combine the two ideas and route out part of the ebony strip then epoxy in a graphite strip. If the expense isn't too great, I'd think about getting a wider length of graphite so I could cutting it to extend well down into the head. It means that you need to pull the finger board but I think you need to do this to replace the wood strips on each side of the neck anyway.<br />
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In the pictures you posted, it seems that the dowels didn't fit too well or too far into…
If it were mine to do, I think I'd combine the two ideas and route out part of the ebony strip then epoxy in a graphite strip. If the expense isn't too great, I'd think about getting a wider length of graphite so I could cutting it to extend well down into the head. It means that you need to pull the finger board but I think you need to do this to replace the wood strips on each side of the neck anyway.<br />
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In the pictures you posted, it seems that the dowels didn't fit too well or too far into the head. I'd replace them along with the wood strips. I don't think I would use graphite for these strips, though, since these are very close to the edges and I would be afraid that a blow to the side of the head (or a dropped case) could cause the graphite to crack the wood on the side of the neck.<br />
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Even if I decided to cut a longer scarf, I think I'd still use graphite to reinforce the joint. My brother and I reinforced the face of the broken head on a Gibson F4 several years ago using a length of graphite down the center of the head embedded in epoxy. It made a very strong repair. I wouldn't blink an eye at using epoxy to set the graphite in a repair like this. The whole point is to not need to take it apart again.<br />
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Ned here?tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74622008-12-31T05:33:50.193Zthefishinmusicianhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/thefishinmusician
here?
here? P.S another thig on the T.Bir…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74602008-12-31T05:32:39.246Zthefishinmusicianhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/thefishinmusician
P.S another thig on the T.Bird..If you look in the later photo's, I routed the neck on the other end of the headstock repair and filled it with quarter sawn rosewood...Hopefully that was to not interfere with the truss rod function as I figured graphite might...
P.S another thig on the T.Bird..If you look in the later photo's, I routed the neck on the other end of the headstock repair and filled it with quarter sawn rosewood...Hopefully that was to not interfere with the truss rod function as I figured graphite might... L.M.I has a fine assortment..…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74592008-12-31T05:29:09.151Zthefishinmusicianhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/thefishinmusician
L.M.I has a fine assortment...It aint rods, it's the widest thickest...1/8 by maybe a 1/4 inch....GREAT STUFF!!!!
L.M.I has a fine assortment...It aint rods, it's the widest thickest...1/8 by maybe a 1/4 inch....GREAT STUFF!!!! Wow. That Tbird repair is rea…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74582008-12-31T05:24:28.127ZSteve Bakerhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/SteveBaker
Wow. That Tbird repair is really something.<br />
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Why do you favor graphite for your reinforcements and where do you get your rods?
Wow. That Tbird repair is really something.<br />
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Why do you favor graphite for your reinforcements and where do you get your rods? moretag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74542008-12-31T05:15:12.657Zthefishinmusicianhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/thefishinmusician
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more O.K. one more thing...checked…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74522008-12-31T05:08:25.926Zthefishinmusicianhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/thefishinmusician
O.K. one more thing...checked out you site...cool!..I would....remove fingerboard, Epoxy the headstock back to the angle you desire with a jig...I saw the site, you know how...Then route the ebony thu into the headstock as bow thru brainpan said..placa your graphite ( I dimple it as you can see in the photo...I also use a tiny ball bit on my dremel to dimple the slot ) in the slot..clean and cover...I know a lot of purists hate the word epoxy, but it works and has it's place..Now after that I…
O.K. one more thing...checked out you site...cool!..I would....remove fingerboard, Epoxy the headstock back to the angle you desire with a jig...I saw the site, you know how...Then route the ebony thu into the headstock as bow thru brainpan said..placa your graphite ( I dimple it as you can see in the photo...I also use a tiny ball bit on my dremel to dimple the slot ) in the slot..clean and cover...I know a lot of purists hate the word epoxy, but it works and has it's place..Now after that I bet it would be easy to clean up the back of the neck and hide it pretty well... Any how,,,I have done a 1/8 i…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2008-12-31:2177249:Comment:74482008-12-31T04:50:39.890Zthefishinmusicianhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/thefishinmusician
Any how,,,I have done a 1/8 inch slot with a jig I built..( photo's soon ), with my dremel,and inlay graphite re-enforcement, anlged to meet the peghead shape..I epoxy it in and have had nothing come back yet...I've done this for about 10 years, and a Vast majority are on punk rocker guitars that have already been fixed once or twice..I'm sending photo's of a les paul also..
Any how,,,I have done a 1/8 inch slot with a jig I built..( photo's soon ), with my dremel,and inlay graphite re-enforcement, anlged to meet the peghead shape..I epoxy it in and have had nothing come back yet...I've done this for about 10 years, and a Vast majority are on punk rocker guitars that have already been fixed once or twice..I'm sending photo's of a les paul also..