Linseed oil? Education needed. - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T11:28:05Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/linseed-oil-education-needed?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A183339&feed=yes&xn_auth=noRusty,
As for my posts, I was…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-09:2177249:Comment:1833662019-03-09T15:43:59.223ZLee Gendvilashttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/leegendvilas
<p>Rusty,</p>
<p>As for my posts, I was looking for info strictly about cleaning, treating, refurbishing fingerboards. Thank-you for your responses. As for using citric terpene and tung oil on finishes it makes sense to test before using. If I am able to find the info on testing solvents before you find it I will post.</p>
<p>Lee</p>
<p>Rusty,</p>
<p>As for my posts, I was looking for info strictly about cleaning, treating, refurbishing fingerboards. Thank-you for your responses. As for using citric terpene and tung oil on finishes it makes sense to test before using. If I am able to find the info on testing solvents before you find it I will post.</p>
<p>Lee</p> OK, got all that, Andrew an…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-09:2177249:Comment:1834692019-03-09T13:10:16.556ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>OK, got all that, Andrew and Lee.</p>
<p>I just looked through a lengthy utterly bizzare thread on the use of d limonene and similar cleaners thinners etc on another forum and now understand why some animals eat their young. Tung oil smells like tung oil, Linseed (flax oil) smells like it does and the various citrus based extractions smells like oranges or lemons etc. The citrus smell is a good one and many manufacturers of many things use it for its pleasant fresh smell which is…</p>
<p>OK, got all that, Andrew and Lee.</p>
<p>I just looked through a lengthy utterly bizzare thread on the use of d limonene and similar cleaners thinners etc on another forum and now understand why some animals eat their young. Tung oil smells like tung oil, Linseed (flax oil) smells like it does and the various citrus based extractions smells like oranges or lemons etc. The citrus smell is a good one and many manufacturers of many things use it for its pleasant fresh smell which is recognized by most customers. It masks linseed oil but real Tung is quite strong so I'd use it sparingly and buff it well to remove any standing oil.</p>
<p>The amount of misinformation about what the citric distillations do to finishes is disconcerting. If you try to clean 20 years of grunge and beezwax and nicotine offa an instrument with anything its going to react and smear and so on and so forth - old 335 finishes in particular come to mind (for some reason not known to me these guitars seem to attract dirt and corrosion - probably because there are so many old ones out there that we see). So don't use the mix to do anything other than to clean or refurbish fingerboards or treat/darken new boards and you will be fine. I haven't noticed this stuff affecting gloves and don't use gloves when applying this mix but acetone and thinners surely does. </p>
<p>But as with all things, test before leaping in to build confidence and assurance if in doubt. I have no idea what this stuff does to Shellac or acrylics. All I know is poly and nitro and I have been using these mixes for 20 years with nothing to report.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Rusty.</p>
<p> P.S. I just recalled something from my apprentice days about testing solvents - you may wish to look it up on the web as I'm about to pull stumps here. Its a procedure and order of applying solvents starting with de ionised water and working through the classes of solvents to determine what solvent removes or cleans various glues or dirt or other junk from various surfaces. It's designed to prevent you using the wrong class of solvent on a particular finish or dillution . I''ll have a look later but if you find it could you post it.</p>
<p></p> Hello again Rusty,
I found D-…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-07:2177249:Comment:1835602019-03-07T06:46:27.972ZLee Gendvilashttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/leegendvilas
<p>Hello again Rusty,</p>
<p>I found D-limonene on Amazon. Thought I'd include a couple of pics of the bottle. I also found Citric Turpene from a source in Australia. I beg your forgiveness but I thought I'd start with a source a little closer to my home in Scottsdale, AZ.</p>
<p>Just wondering what type of gloves you use to apply this mixture? The bottle says D-limonene isn't forgiving to nitrile, natural rubber, neoprene...</p>
<p>I really appreciate your replies, responses, and time you give…</p>
<p>Hello again Rusty,</p>
<p>I found D-limonene on Amazon. Thought I'd include a couple of pics of the bottle. I also found Citric Turpene from a source in Australia. I beg your forgiveness but I thought I'd start with a source a little closer to my home in Scottsdale, AZ.</p>
<p>Just wondering what type of gloves you use to apply this mixture? The bottle says D-limonene isn't forgiving to nitrile, natural rubber, neoprene...</p>
<p>I really appreciate your replies, responses, and time you give on this forum. I have and am still learning a lot from you.</p>
<p>Lee</p> G’day Rusty :).
I was just w…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-03-05:2177249:Comment:1834562019-03-05T13:33:33.881ZAndrewhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/Andrew715
<p>G’day Rusty :).</p>
<p></p>
<p>I was just wondering what the effect of citric terpene/d-limonene is on the smell of a tung oil application? I think that would be my main concern with most customers, as the smell of real tung oil is a bit pungent and it hangs around for quite a while. I assume citric terpene smells like citrus.. does it cut the smell of the tung or otherwise make it more tolerable?</p>
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<p>Also, do you prefer ‘raw’ tung oil, or polymerized?</p>
<p>G’day Rusty :).</p>
<p></p>
<p>I was just wondering what the effect of citric terpene/d-limonene is on the smell of a tung oil application? I think that would be my main concern with most customers, as the smell of real tung oil is a bit pungent and it hangs around for quite a while. I assume citric terpene smells like citrus.. does it cut the smell of the tung or otherwise make it more tolerable?</p>
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<p>Also, do you prefer ‘raw’ tung oil, or polymerized?</p> I've got a small metal trash…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-02-28:2177249:Comment:1835292019-02-28T17:32:36.776ZMike Kolbhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
<p>I've got a small metal trash can (maybe 1gal or so) and I'll put the rags in the can, take it all outside and purposely light 'em on fire in the can. </p>
<p>Gives some peace of mind knowing they've already done their combustion thing, but controlled :)</p>
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<p>I've got a small metal trash can (maybe 1gal or so) and I'll put the rags in the can, take it all outside and purposely light 'em on fire in the can. </p>
<p>Gives some peace of mind knowing they've already done their combustion thing, but controlled :)</p>
<p></p> HI Lee,
We use Citric Turpen…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-02-28:2177249:Comment:1835272019-02-28T11:12:14.966ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>HI Lee,</p>
<p>We use Citric Turpene to thin Tung and Linseed oil, D limonene is the same thing (for all intents an purposes here) - Check out the product description on the orange oil - this may be a combined or polymerised preparation similar to retail lemon oils etc. Not the same thing and if you are going to source Tung oil the seller will more than likely also sell a compatible thinner. Oil finishes are pretty forgiving but if you are going to shell out for Tung maybe go the extra…</p>
<p>HI Lee,</p>
<p>We use Citric Turpene to thin Tung and Linseed oil, D limonene is the same thing (for all intents an purposes here) - Check out the product description on the orange oil - this may be a combined or polymerised preparation similar to retail lemon oils etc. Not the same thing and if you are going to source Tung oil the seller will more than likely also sell a compatible thinner. Oil finishes are pretty forgiving but if you are going to shell out for Tung maybe go the extra yard and get the other part of the system. </p>
<p>Rusty.</p> Hello again,
Thanks again for…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-02-28:2177249:Comment:1832562019-02-28T06:22:45.807ZLee Gendvilashttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/leegendvilas
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Hello again,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Thanks again for replying so fast! Thanks for the detail. I plan on getting tung oil soon. Woodcraft carries General Finishes orange oil. Will that work as D Limonene? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Hello again,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Thanks again for replying so fast! Thanks for the detail. I plan on getting tung oil soon. Woodcraft carries General Finishes orange oil. Will that work as D Limonene? </span></p> HI Lee,
The D Limonene is use…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-02-27:2177249:Comment:1833392019-02-27T13:21:34.827ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>HI Lee,</p>
<p>The D Limonene is used as a thinner for the Tung oil to assist in penetration of the Tung oil into the wood. There are a number of combinations and methods used in oil finishing wood but for New fingerboards it goes as follows.</p>
<p>50/50 mix apply liberally with a clean swab and note the response of the wood. If it sits and stays shiny (a sheen) as it will do do with premium ebony leave it for a while (30 minutes or so) and buff it off with an absorbent pad. If its…</p>
<p>HI Lee,</p>
<p>The D Limonene is used as a thinner for the Tung oil to assist in penetration of the Tung oil into the wood. There are a number of combinations and methods used in oil finishing wood but for New fingerboards it goes as follows.</p>
<p>50/50 mix apply liberally with a clean swab and note the response of the wood. If it sits and stays shiny (a sheen) as it will do do with premium ebony leave it for a while (30 minutes or so) and buff it off with an absorbent pad. If its drawn into the wood quickly reapply immediately and allow 30 minutes or so and then buff off. If the oil appears to "drag" on the buff pad its stood for too long and a quick lick with the existing oil mix will reconstitute the mix and allow it to buff off. Any soft terry towel/cotton swab will buff OK and the buffing is complete when no noticeable "smear" occurs when a finger is wiped across it. However, highly polished ebony (2000 grit and above) and similar will always smear anyway so don't be too concerned with this.</p>
<p>For a full blown furniture finish wait a couple of hours and reapply (use a less thinned mix) and repeat a few more times That's basically a DIN Spec for furniture and not really necessary for fingerboards.</p>
<p>Our philosophy is to provide a basic measure of climate and finish protection to the wood along with enhancing the look of the wood.</p>
<p>To clean a grungy fret board prior to oiling it use straight D limonene sparingly with a medium toothbrush (or equivalent) to get into the fret junctions and ends. It is pretty much a high quality "lemon oil cleaner" without the application of tung or linseed oil.</p>
<p>All of the above advice has been used and tested over a 20 year period of guitar manufacture and repair and constitutes confirmed performance rather than opinion. </p>
<p>Dispose of the rags in a sealed container or zip loc with the voids filled with water. That's the tech advice for disposal. </p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Rusty</p>
<p></p> Hello Rusty,
I was in a Woodc…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-02-27:2177249:Comment:1834262019-02-27T03:28:41.251ZLee Gendvilashttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/leegendvilas
<p>Hello Rusty,</p>
<p>I was in a Woodcraft store recently and was looking at their selection of tung oil and orange oil. I am interested in using tung oil and …</p>
<p>Hello Rusty,</p>
<p>I was in a Woodcraft store recently and was looking at their selection of tung oil and orange oil. I am interested in using tung oil and <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">D Limonene</span>. I would like to know how you apply them. Also, at the moment I don't remember the brand but there was a bottle that had combined both. Do you use the <span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13.13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 17.06px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">D Limonene</span> first then tung oil?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance for replying.</p>
<p>Lee</p> Hi John,
The spontaneous comb…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2019-02-25:2177249:Comment:1835232019-02-25T17:36:32.198ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>The spontaneous combustion of oil soaked rags is caused by the oxidisation process - drying them and bunching them together as you mention will still have the danger. The general recommendation is to place them in an air tight container (or a zip-loc bag) and fill the air space with water to prevent oxidisation. Do not store oildsoaked rags anywhere that you don't wish to have a fire: this works for me.</p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Rusty.</p>
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>The spontaneous combustion of oil soaked rags is caused by the oxidisation process - drying them and bunching them together as you mention will still have the danger. The general recommendation is to place them in an air tight container (or a zip-loc bag) and fill the air space with water to prevent oxidisation. Do not store oildsoaked rags anywhere that you don't wish to have a fire: this works for me.</p>
<p>Regards, </p>
<p>Rusty.</p>