Match a finish - FRETS.NET2024-03-29T07:06:57Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/match-a-finish?id=2177249%3ATopic%3A138413&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYeah, that looks nice. I've…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-11-05:2177249:Comment:1389512014-11-05T19:47:45.074ZNed Knepphttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>Yeah, that looks nice. I've had some luck with an airbursh too but it's still not "easy". Good work.</p>
<p>Yeah, that looks nice. I've had some luck with an airbursh too but it's still not "easy". Good work.</p> You have made a wonderfull jo…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-11-05:2177249:Comment:1389462014-11-05T01:53:52.660ZWilliam F.Edenhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WilliamFEden
<p>You have made a wonderfull job of the Guitar Mac.You will do well on your future repairs. If you ever need any more help just give us a hoot. Bill........</p>
<p>You have made a wonderfull job of the Guitar Mac.You will do well on your future repairs. If you ever need any more help just give us a hoot. Bill........</p> Hi Bill,
I finally got OK wit…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-11-04:2177249:Comment:1390282014-11-04T23:14:01.542ZMac McElwainhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MacMcElwain577
<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>I finally got OK with the airbrush and did what you told me. Not polished out yet (waiting for it all to harden off) but I'm well-pleased with the result. I eventually refinished the whole guitar with Red Mahogany tinted clear coats. Looks a dream. Thanks all for all your help</p>
<p>Over and out till next time</p>
<p>MAC</p>
<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>I finally got OK with the airbrush and did what you told me. Not polished out yet (waiting for it all to harden off) but I'm well-pleased with the result. I eventually refinished the whole guitar with Red Mahogany tinted clear coats. Looks a dream. Thanks all for all your help</p>
<p>Over and out till next time</p>
<p>MAC</p> Thanks Bill. I'm away for a w…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-16:2177249:Comment:1385242014-10-16T03:26:50.565ZMac McElwainhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MacMcElwain577
<p>Thanks Bill. I'm away for a week but will rip into it when I get back. Airbrush ordered!</p>
<p>MAC</p>
<p>Thanks Bill. I'm away for a week but will rip into it when I get back. Airbrush ordered!</p>
<p>MAC</p> You should have no trouble ma…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-16:2177249:Comment:1384342014-10-16T02:26:47.308ZWilliam F.Edenhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WilliamFEden
<p>You should have no trouble matching that finish.First spray a clear coat on then mix a little red in your lacquer and some brown and as you add your coats you will add some more brown to make it the coulor you are after just spray away from the neck so as not to get to much on the ex color of the neck or take a piece of lose paper and mask the part of the neck you don't want to color just don't mask it so you endup with a strait line. When you are done give that whole dark erea a lite coat.…</p>
<p>You should have no trouble matching that finish.First spray a clear coat on then mix a little red in your lacquer and some brown and as you add your coats you will add some more brown to make it the coulor you are after just spray away from the neck so as not to get to much on the ex color of the neck or take a piece of lose paper and mask the part of the neck you don't want to color just don't mask it so you endup with a strait line. When you are done give that whole dark erea a lite coat. The GIBSON colors are not hard to do.Good luck .Bill.........</p> Thanks mate - short of flying…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-15:2177249:Comment:1385212014-10-15T20:27:27.767ZMac McElwainhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MacMcElwain577
<p>Thanks mate - short of flying over here and doing the repair you could not have been more helpful. It's really appreciated. Once you understand what's going on, the fix always seems more straightforward. I was really stumped when I sent the discussion out, but now I have a clear picture in my head of what I need to do. And I will.</p>
<p>As a start I'll try to match the darker lacquer around the head/neck join, but if that fails I'll do the entire neck as you suggest.</p>
<p>And thanks for…</p>
<p>Thanks mate - short of flying over here and doing the repair you could not have been more helpful. It's really appreciated. Once you understand what's going on, the fix always seems more straightforward. I was really stumped when I sent the discussion out, but now I have a clear picture in my head of what I need to do. And I will.</p>
<p>As a start I'll try to match the darker lacquer around the head/neck join, but if that fails I'll do the entire neck as you suggest.</p>
<p>And thanks for the decal-supplier details too.</p>
<p>As I said to Bill, I'll post a pic when I get it fixed.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>MAC</p> Thanks Bill - yes the neck/he…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-15:2177249:Comment:1385182014-10-15T20:19:52.390ZMac McElwainhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MacMcElwain577
<p>Thanks Bill - yes the neck/head join area is darker and this will be helpful. See attached pic.</p>
<p>I will start with the tinted lacquer approach and follow Rusty's great advice. If it works, I'll post a pic of the result!!</p>
<p>MAC</p>
<p>Thanks Bill - yes the neck/head join area is darker and this will be helpful. See attached pic.</p>
<p>I will start with the tinted lacquer approach and follow Rusty's great advice. If it works, I'll post a pic of the result!!</p>
<p>MAC</p> I would go with Russell's fix…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-15:2177249:Comment:1383622014-10-15T14:06:56.704ZWilliam F.Edenhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WilliamFEden
<p>I would go with Russell's fix as there are very few repair men that can make that repair invisible.Sometimes Gibson will colour the neck heal and under the neck were the brake would be a little darker in that respect it is a lot easer to hide the repair. Is it all the same colour? That is why I wanted to see a picture of the Guitar as Gibson don't finish them all the same.Bill.........</p>
<p>I would go with Russell's fix as there are very few repair men that can make that repair invisible.Sometimes Gibson will colour the neck heal and under the neck were the brake would be a little darker in that respect it is a lot easer to hide the repair. Is it all the same colour? That is why I wanted to see a picture of the Guitar as Gibson don't finish them all the same.Bill.........</p> Hi Mac,
The facing is probabl…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-15:2177249:Comment:1383612014-10-15T13:49:27.409ZRussell Vancehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/RussellVance
<p>Hi Mac,</p>
<p>The facing is probably fibre with a black lacquer paint finish or just black paint. But, no matter what, you cannot just fill and paint as this area is compression stressed when strung up and any crack will show quite quickly or slowly over time when the guitar is pressed back into service. I take it back to bare wood replace the fibre or put on a thin maple wood veneer and dye and paint the layers back up again. Hint: use black nitro "paint" to get a base black finish -…</p>
<p>Hi Mac,</p>
<p>The facing is probably fibre with a black lacquer paint finish or just black paint. But, no matter what, you cannot just fill and paint as this area is compression stressed when strung up and any crack will show quite quickly or slowly over time when the guitar is pressed back into service. I take it back to bare wood replace the fibre or put on a thin maple wood veneer and dye and paint the layers back up again. Hint: use black nitro "paint" to get a base black finish - shaded lacquer is not consistent black enough in most cases - put on a paint coat, a couple of clear coats, sand flat, apply the decals and then use a very thin black shader followed by clear coats to get the depth "look".</p>
<p>You can just superglue over the crack and paint it up , but it will show through eventually.</p>
<p>The replacement decals are from Croxguitars.com (for Fender I use oldfret.com) - Crox is a bit of a messy site and you have to poke around to find the Gibson decals but they are there and are the best quality and range available -similarly Oldfret have the highest quality replacement decals for all manner of Fender. As long as the decals are used as straight replacement on authentic instruments there appears no legal downside of sourcing and replacement using these quality items through these sites. Very high quality stuff. We do use Gibson spares for broken Dealer instruments and they supply OK, but generally its easier to just use the usual sites.</p>
<p>Note, not all Gibsons are finished the same and I generally watch the way they were finished as I break them down to determine how they are going to be refinished.</p>
<p>Gibson neck lacquer generally peels off when treated with a heat gun to get the peel started - it has no great adhesion to the wood. When you get to the body joint make a knife score to prevent the lacquer peeling off further than you want in this area. If you are a little cautious with heat, stop short and complete the final strip to the body by mechanical sanding/scraping.</p>
<p>There is more but this is what I consider to be the best way of doing it right the first time.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Rusty. </p>
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<p> </p> Hi Rusty - yeah this is my re…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2014-10-15:2177249:Comment:1383592014-10-15T07:57:17.736ZMac McElwainhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MacMcElwain577
<p>Hi Rusty - yeah this is my retirement fund too! God bless Gibson.</p>
<p>I will absorb your terrific advice and then have another crack at the LP.</p>
<p>Just to complicate things, the headstock veneer survived the break, but the Gibson logo and "Les Paul Model" appear to be on a very thin vinyl or similar stuck onto the headstock veneer. That vinyl split along the break point between the lower machine heads. I've yet to work out a way to feather the edge of the vinyl. I imagine I'll have to…</p>
<p>Hi Rusty - yeah this is my retirement fund too! God bless Gibson.</p>
<p>I will absorb your terrific advice and then have another crack at the LP.</p>
<p>Just to complicate things, the headstock veneer survived the break, but the Gibson logo and "Les Paul Model" appear to be on a very thin vinyl or similar stuck onto the headstock veneer. That vinyl split along the break point between the lower machine heads. I've yet to work out a way to feather the edge of the vinyl. I imagine I'll have to throw it away and replace the logos. Crikey Dick - what a performance!</p>
<p>MAC</p>