Matching Martin Aged Lacquer For Binding Repair - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T19:43:45Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/matching-martin-aged-lacquer?commentId=2177249%3AComment%3A56011&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks Jim,
I've ordered some…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-27:2177249:Comment:560162011-04-27T14:25:29.805ZJeff Perkinshttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JeffPerkins
<p>Thanks Jim,</p>
<p>I've ordered some extra binding to practice all this on. I've just been lucky that all the jobs like this I've done, the binding was blinding white, and clear worked just fine. </p>
<p>Thanks Jim,</p>
<p>I've ordered some extra binding to practice all this on. I've just been lucky that all the jobs like this I've done, the binding was blinding white, and clear worked just fine. </p> You can do this without an ai…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:559242011-04-26T23:33:04.552ZJim Bancrofthttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JimBancroft
<p>You can do this without an airbrush or any spray equipment. Use a Q-tip swab to apply stain, once you have the right color, top off with clear lacquer applied either with an artist brush or a Q-tip. Apply sufficient coats of lacquer, let it cure, wet sand, buff, and polish.</p>
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<p>Jim</p>
<p>You can do this without an airbrush or any spray equipment. Use a Q-tip swab to apply stain, once you have the right color, top off with clear lacquer applied either with an artist brush or a Q-tip. Apply sufficient coats of lacquer, let it cure, wet sand, buff, and polish.</p>
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<p>Jim</p> I have a batch of touchup lac…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:557322011-04-26T18:03:55.295ZMark Wallacehttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MarkWallaceMarksFretShop
<p>I have a batch of touchup lacquer in which I added amber and a small amount of opaque white (Colortone brand). The mixture has a slight butterscotch tint but is very translucent. The white helps tone down some of the yellow that the amber produces.</p>
<p>I have a batch of touchup lacquer in which I added amber and a small amount of opaque white (Colortone brand). The mixture has a slight butterscotch tint but is very translucent. The white helps tone down some of the yellow that the amber produces.</p> No recipe. I mess around unt…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:560142011-04-26T17:08:04.694ZHoward Klepperhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HowardKlepper
<p>No recipe. I mess around until it looks right. You need to use dyes. You would need a thick layer of that aged lacquer to see much color. I have a bottle of amber nitro that is kind of like a solera of sherry; I add to it when it gets low. Some part of it has been in that bottle a long time.</p>
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<p>The Colortone or TransTint "vintage amber" is IMO too yellow. TransTint comes in a color called Golden Brown (I don't know if Colortone does) that is a better match for yellowed…</p>
<p>No recipe. I mess around until it looks right. You need to use dyes. You would need a thick layer of that aged lacquer to see much color. I have a bottle of amber nitro that is kind of like a solera of sherry; I add to it when it gets low. Some part of it has been in that bottle a long time.</p>
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<p>The Colortone or TransTint "vintage amber" is IMO too yellow. TransTint comes in a color called Golden Brown (I don't know if Colortone does) that is a better match for yellowed lacquer. I sometimes blend the two.</p> Jim,
You go with an alcohol s…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:560112011-04-26T16:51:28.099ZJeff Perkinshttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JeffPerkins
<p>Jim,</p>
<p>You go with an alcohol stain first? I usually use an airbrush for the color coat then shoot clear over it. What's your recipie/procedure?</p>
<p>Jim,</p>
<p>You go with an alcohol stain first? I usually use an airbrush for the color coat then shoot clear over it. What's your recipie/procedure?</p> I usually add a little brown…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:559212011-04-26T10:05:30.850ZDavid Houchenshttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/DavidBryceHouchens
<p>I usually add a little brown fof newer, a little amber (and sometimes brown) for older. Just a miniscule amount though. Then, thin and airbrush on the binding.</p>
<p> Just remember, if it looks perfect now, it will be really dark years from now.</p>
<p> I uauslly try to hit middle of the road if I can.</p>
<p> To get another scrap and practice is highly recommended. Be sure to give the sample a few coats of clear as well, because this will make it slightly darker also.</p>
<p> This is a…</p>
<p>I usually add a little brown fof newer, a little amber (and sometimes brown) for older. Just a miniscule amount though. Then, thin and airbrush on the binding.</p>
<p> Just remember, if it looks perfect now, it will be really dark years from now.</p>
<p> I uauslly try to hit middle of the road if I can.</p>
<p> To get another scrap and practice is highly recommended. Be sure to give the sample a few coats of clear as well, because this will make it slightly darker also.</p>
<p> This is a task I have to learn over each separate time I do it.</p>
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<p> I didn't know (or think) of the preUV idea. I'm gonna get me a jar out there soon. DH</p> For me matching color on bind…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:561032011-04-26T08:52:07.715ZJim Bancrofthttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JimBancroft
For me matching color on bindings has basically been by trial and error. I take a scrap piece of binding and wipe on alcohol stain and try to get it close, sometimes it works out perfect, sometimes not. Then final top coat with clear lacquer or shellac. You may not get it perfect, but after a few years of aging on the instrument, looks may improve<br />
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Binding is cheap, buy some, and experiment with what works best for you. There are many solutions for these situations, many times.<br />
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Jim
For me matching color on bindings has basically been by trial and error. I take a scrap piece of binding and wipe on alcohol stain and try to get it close, sometimes it works out perfect, sometimes not. Then final top coat with clear lacquer or shellac. You may not get it perfect, but after a few years of aging on the instrument, looks may improve<br />
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Binding is cheap, buy some, and experiment with what works best for you. There are many solutions for these situations, many times.<br />
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Jim Hmmm, I s'pose it does... it…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:557282011-04-26T04:21:59.638ZMike Kolbhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
Hmmm, I s'pose it does... it's sitting on a round fence railing and there's a horizontal wire strung about 5" above the railing. The lid of the jar sits in a wire 'loop' affixed to the lateral wire. The whole point of that was to keep the jar in constant sunlight (-an oxymoron in Oregon-) and allowed to sway free without being knocked-over by wind and stormy weather.
Hmmm, I s'pose it does... it's sitting on a round fence railing and there's a horizontal wire strung about 5" above the railing. The lid of the jar sits in a wire 'loop' affixed to the lateral wire. The whole point of that was to keep the jar in constant sunlight (-an oxymoron in Oregon-) and allowed to sway free without being knocked-over by wind and stormy weather. Watch out for those "real che…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-26:2177249:Comment:557262011-04-26T02:02:20.705Zchris snyderhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/chrissnyder
Watch out for those "real cherry pits" they can make nitro lighter. :/<br/>Mike that looks delicious. How are you keeping that jar in place, it looks like its floating?
Watch out for those "real cherry pits" they can make nitro lighter. :/<br/>Mike that looks delicious. How are you keeping that jar in place, it looks like its floating?
Hey Jeff... color-matching…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-04-25:2177249:Comment:560972011-04-25T22:23:26.995ZMike Kolbhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
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<p>Hey Jeff... color-matching is certainly not my forte' by any means, but I can tell you that I, too, have been keeping some lacquer outside to get some color depth to it. </p>
<p>It's been sitting outdoors since August of last year and has been steadily getting darker, but it's taken a full 8 months to get the shade that it is now.</p>
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<p>Hey Jeff... color-matching is certainly not my forte' by any means, but I can tell you that I, too, have been keeping some lacquer outside to get some color depth to it. </p>
<p>It's been sitting outdoors since August of last year and has been steadily getting darker, but it's taken a full 8 months to get the shade that it is now.</p>
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