Side crack repair. - FRETS.NET2024-03-28T10:14:36Zhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/forum/topics/side-crack-repair?feed=yes&xn_auth=noNed, Glad we could all offer…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-16:2177249:Comment:571642011-05-16T06:59:35.465ZChris Rochowhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisRochow
<p>Ned, Glad we could all offer our '2 cents' worth of input. Splinting may be the way you'll have to go.</p>
<p> Best wishes, Chris</p>
<p>Ned, Glad we could all offer our '2 cents' worth of input. Splinting may be the way you'll have to go.</p>
<p> Best wishes, Chris</p> Bill and Chris,
I am really…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-15:2177249:Comment:575852011-05-15T16:28:24.162ZNed Knepphttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>Bill and Chris,</p>
<p> I am really reaching with the idea of applying water directly to the crack. As Mike pointed out, I'm getting fairly frustrated with this "simple" fix. When I first got the guitar I was sure that hydration would close it. I could try for a couple of more weeks but the owner is getting antsy because I've had the guitar for quite a while now. I'll forget my thoughts about applying water directly. </p>
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<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Everything on this seems "far fetched" to me…</p>
<p>Bill and Chris,</p>
<p> I am really reaching with the idea of applying water directly to the crack. As Mike pointed out, I'm getting fairly frustrated with this "simple" fix. When I first got the guitar I was sure that hydration would close it. I could try for a couple of more weeks but the owner is getting antsy because I've had the guitar for quite a while now. I'll forget my thoughts about applying water directly. </p>
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<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Everything on this seems "far fetched" to me and I've looked at everything anyone has brought up in this thread. It's not like any split I've dealt with before. I keep looking at it and wondering where the rest of the mass went.</p>
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<p>Splinting the crack is what I originally asked about. It's the idea that makes the most sense to me. I think touch up will be relatively easy since it's a black finish. At least there is not grain to match as well as color.</p>
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<p>This thread has given me a better understanding of what I'm looking at. ALL of the ideas given here have helped me and I really appreciate everyone's contributions. </p>
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<p>Ned</p> Hi Ned.... OK, so maybe the '…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-15:2177249:Comment:571602011-05-15T14:03:27.352ZMike Kolbhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
<p>Hi Ned.... OK, so maybe the 'overheat-and-loose-glue' theory's a bit far-fetched, but it was a shot. So now here's my 2-cents worth of conspiracy theory: yes, that crack was caused a long time ago by an endpin being jammed-in too tightly, either by intentional force or a dropped guitar. In any event, it has settled quite comfortably into that position and doesn't intend to move.</p>
<p>At this juncture, I would take advantage of the stubbornness and splint that puppy closed. Clean it out…</p>
<p>Hi Ned.... OK, so maybe the 'overheat-and-loose-glue' theory's a bit far-fetched, but it was a shot. So now here's my 2-cents worth of conspiracy theory: yes, that crack was caused a long time ago by an endpin being jammed-in too tightly, either by intentional force or a dropped guitar. In any event, it has settled quite comfortably into that position and doesn't intend to move.</p>
<p>At this juncture, I would take advantage of the stubbornness and splint that puppy closed. Clean it out real good, etc. and fill that nasty crack like a NYC pothole. Then the job is touchup, but that's always the job. I'd be getting pissed at that crack by now. Splints ahoy! </p> Bill is right on! Do NOT app…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-15:2177249:Comment:574022011-05-15T07:30:15.279ZChris Rochowhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/ChrisRochow
Bill is right on! Do NOT apply water directly!! It'll likely make matters worse by warping the wood. S L O W L Y humidify.
Bill is right on! Do NOT apply water directly!! It'll likely make matters worse by warping the wood. S L O W L Y humidify. My exp.in wetting the wood wa…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-15:2177249:Comment:574012011-05-15T04:57:54.093ZWilliam F.Edenhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/WilliamFEden
My exp.in wetting the wood was not very good .It just made it bulg out .Bill.''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
My exp.in wetting the wood was not very good .It just made it bulg out .Bill.'''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Well the guy who owns it didn…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-15:2177249:Comment:574002011-05-15T00:19:24.552ZNed Knepphttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>Well the guy who owns it didn't show at church today so I guess I have another week to decide what and IF I want to do it. </p>
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<p>Everyone seems to agree that this is weird, Mike. I hadn't thought of the idea that that glue reset. My inspection of the guitar doesn't show any sign of it having been exposed to either too much moisture or too much heat. That's actually part of the puzzle to me. I can't find ANYTHING wrong except the crack. </p>
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<p>When I have seen gaping…</p>
<p>Well the guy who owns it didn't show at church today so I guess I have another week to decide what and IF I want to do it. </p>
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<p>Everyone seems to agree that this is weird, Mike. I hadn't thought of the idea that that glue reset. My inspection of the guitar doesn't show any sign of it having been exposed to either too much moisture or too much heat. That's actually part of the puzzle to me. I can't find ANYTHING wrong except the crack. </p>
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<p>When I have seen gaping cracked sides in the past there is always some off set in the edge or a distortion in the binding or something to indicate movement of the wood. In this case, there isn't anything except the slightest bit of bulging at the crack and, as I said, pushing it back flat doesn't even begin to close it. The guitar sides measure to be the same width on either side of the butt joint at the tail with nothing except the crack to show there is any difference in the width of the sides </p>
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<p>I wondering if my attempts to hydrate the guitar are not enough. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. I'm playing with ideas of directly wetting the crack site with water to see if it helps close things up. It just doesn't make any sense other wise. As it is right now, this side of the guitar would be (is) narrower than the other side. If I cut this free of the binding on one side and pushed the crack flat and closed I would be left with a gap between it and the binding. all of this screams "dry" to me but I have tried to rehydrate this guitar for some time now. </p>
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<p>Has anyone every tried applying water directly to a split area like this. I thought about trying steam and I though about applying drops of water over several days but I'm worried about doing more harm than good. Any ideas?</p>
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<p>The more I look at this "simple" repair, the more convinced I become that it should go to someone with more experience BUT I also want to know what was done and why. After all, that's how I learn.</p> Hi Ned.... in thinking about…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-14:2177249:Comment:573922011-05-14T15:13:15.457ZMike Kolbhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/MikeKolb
<p>Hi Ned.... in thinking about this dilemma, is there a possibility that the guitar (post-crack) became heated, causing the glue to fail at the tail block? If so, the glue would have rehardened and now be holding that split wide-open, and rather nicely. I'd be tempted to steam the block loose and see if that's what's keeping the crack open.</p>
<p>In any event, it's an interesting problem and I would love to hear the eventual outcome! </p>
<p>Hi Ned.... in thinking about this dilemma, is there a possibility that the guitar (post-crack) became heated, causing the glue to fail at the tail block? If so, the glue would have rehardened and now be holding that split wide-open, and rather nicely. I'd be tempted to steam the block loose and see if that's what's keeping the crack open.</p>
<p>In any event, it's an interesting problem and I would love to hear the eventual outcome! </p> I can tell you this. There is…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-14:2177249:Comment:573902011-05-14T03:21:21.960ZNed Knepphttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/NedKnepp
<p>I can tell you this. There is no sign of a tail block crack, odd as that sounds. Probing the crack indicates that it stop at the thickness of the side. I have discovered that the narrow end of that the side below the crack "clicks" when I tap on it over the tail block so it is loose there but nothing else sound like it is anything but solid. Clamping it either across the body or top to back does very little to help close the crack. The edges are turn up just a bit so a caul will help a bit…</p>
<p>I can tell you this. There is no sign of a tail block crack, odd as that sounds. Probing the crack indicates that it stop at the thickness of the side. I have discovered that the narrow end of that the side below the crack "clicks" when I tap on it over the tail block so it is loose there but nothing else sound like it is anything but solid. Clamping it either across the body or top to back does very little to help close the crack. The edges are turn up just a bit so a caul will help a bit but, so far, nothing I can find short of disassemble seem to promise to close up the crack.</p>
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<p>I am going to talk to the owner tomorrow and tell him what I've found and what you guys have brought up. (BTW, Thanks everyone.) I have to decide if I am going to try to do this repair or not. He wants me to do it because I'm cheap (free) but I have to decide if I want to deal with it and him. I wouldn't hesitate to do if it were my guitar so I guess that decides the "it" part of that decision, but it's not mine and while he's a friend, he can be a touch paranoid sometimes My concern is that I may be taking "ownership" of this guitar in a way that I'm not comfortable with. I'm an amateur but I can still have "client" problem.</p>
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<p>Thanks again to everyone for the discussion. I'll let you know what I decide tomorrow</p>
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<p>Ned. </p> I'd agree with Howard K and n…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-14:2177249:Comment:573182011-05-14T00:01:35.934ZJeff Highlandhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/JeffHighland
<p>I'd agree with Howard K and not rule out the tailblock being cracked, even if it is not obvious.</p>
<p>I;d be pulling the tailpiece and clamping directly on that area front to back to try and close the crack, before resorting to filling.</p>
<p>Then you can wick CA into the area</p>
<p>I'd agree with Howard K and not rule out the tailblock being cracked, even if it is not obvious.</p>
<p>I;d be pulling the tailpiece and clamping directly on that area front to back to try and close the crack, before resorting to filling.</p>
<p>Then you can wick CA into the area</p> One of us must be misundersta…tag:fretsnet.ning.com,2011-05-13:2177249:Comment:573162011-05-13T16:42:44.054ZHoward Klepperhttps://fretsnet.ning.com/profile/HowardKlepper
One of us must be misunderstanding the problem. I thought it was that the crack in the tailblock area won't close when clamped.
One of us must be misunderstanding the problem. I thought it was that the crack in the tailblock area won't close when clamped.