The guitar is a 1927 Supertone model #488. It is curly mahagony. The finish is original so the varnish is pretty dark. The figure in the wood is amazing, you can see more at this link:
Thanks for the nice words Charley :-) Don't worry about being a dilettante, I've been one all my life :-) I'm 57, and I still make new mistakes every day! The trick is to give the customers the impression that you have it all nailed down, although inside your head you're thinking "Shit! How do I get out of this one :-) " Like they used to say about magicians: It's all smoke and mirrors...Take care
Sorry, no such luck, I'm not related to Ambrose Pollock - as far as I know, NOBODY else in the whole family can play an instrument at all! (Does sound like a neat guy, though.)
Hey Charley, I had the opportunity to buy one of this mans guitars in 1985-86 when I lived near his shop in Clearwater Florida for 1500 bucks! I seem to recall seven ply binding on the body, five ply on the fretboard and headstock. Back of headstock was carved as was the heel. The craftsmanship was sky high. The sound was.......yeah! Could not get the money. Sad but true.
Aha! The smal tag picture! Well. A very old photo I picked up on the "net"! Someone made an invention to be able to play the guitar sitting down in the easy chair :-)
>Roger, I hope you'll not be bothered by receiving a >personal message and questions from me!
Not at all :-)
>My curiosity might be pushing the parameters of what >the readership might have patience for on frets.net. >I always enjoy your contributions.
Well, I try to share my findings and don't hold anything secret. Sometimes I'm corrected by reality and further work on a subject or someone who actually knows better...
>I just, for the first time, visited your GammelGura page. >The work you do is so impressive.
Thanks. I'm pretty intensive in what I do and wont give up until I've tried all my ideas that keeps popping up. Working with old guitars means that I have plenty of opportunities to test ideas and get a lot of before-and-after experience tweaking details in the construction.
>I always marvel at your depth of knowledge about guitar >sound and intonation. So, in your proposal to explore volume >versus sustain, you mentioned, in relation to the 26.6 >inch "American" scale Carlstedt that you are working on. >In your assessments of sustain, are you using an electronic >measuring method of some kind, to be scientific, or is >your perception so acute that you feel able to sense >the subtle variation? I imagine, from your posts, that >you also have exceptional tonal perception.
Don't know about the exceptional tonal perception, but I have put many years and hours into listening to nuances of the sound of a guitar. Being pretty musical and blessed with good hearing. You can say that I have trained ears and lot of before-and-after experience. And no, I don't use electronic measuring. I probably should!
>Another subject is that I had a Google translation of the >gammel page and it occurred to me to wonder if you machine >translate for your posts here? I've been impressed with your >literate command of English, and assumed it was your own. >The web page translation is very sketchy on translating >esoteric terminology, like for instance, handleboard and >gripboard for, I assume, the fingerboard! So Im guessing >your English is yours!
You are correct. And yes, the fretboard is named "greppbräda" in Swedish and a straight translation is in fact "gripboard". Computer translation used to be totally hilarious to read! Nowadays they are better. You can always get the basic idea of what is written, but the machines are bad at translating special words used in some narrow profession like luthiery.
>I have no Swedish, for which I apologize.
Swedish is a bit quirky at times, but not far away from English. Pretty much everyone in Sweden can read and write English to some degree, talking it is a bit harder. I used to be a computer programmer and I'm very used to read and write in English.
Just found this somewhere I didn't know existed...
>Roger, I hope you’ll not be be bothered by recieving a
>personal message and questions from me! My curiosity might
>be pushing the perameters of what the readership might have
>patience for on frets.net. I always enjoy your contributions. I just,
>for the first time, visited your GammelGura page. The work you do is
>so impressive. I always marvel at your depth of knowledge
>about guitar sound and intonation.
Thanks. Now you can read a real article about intonation and stuff published in the American Lutrherie #144,
>So, in your proposal to explore volume versus sustain, you mentioned, in relation
>to the 26.6 inch “American” scale Carlstedt that you are working on. In
>your assessments of sustain, are you using an electronic measuring
>method of some kind, to be scientific, or is your perception so acute
>that you feel able to sense the subtle variation? I imagine, from your
>posts, that you also have exceptional tonal perception.
Ha, ha. Yeah well. But I actually do think that I'm better than most after listening to hundreds of old parlors and also working with sound in my home studio. Working with eyes and ears, pictures or sounds, take years of experience before you can see or hear the small subtle nuances in, it's taking both time and effort to finally "get it". And no, I don't use scientific instruments to evaluate sound, the brain and ear system is so strange that actual physical measurements can't give useful values.
>Another subject is that I had a Google translation of the gammel page and
>it occured to me to wonder if you machine translate for your posts here?
>I’ve been impressed with your literate command of English, and assumed
>it was your own . The web page translation is very sketchy on
>translating esoteric terminology, like for instance, handleboard
>and gripboard for, I assume, the fingerboard! So I’m guessing your
>English is yours!
I write my own English. For a couple of years now I also correct the awful Swedish to English translations using an app for my blog page. NONE of the special guitar words came out correct in the translations ;-)
>I have no Swedish, for which I apologize.
That's OK.
Better late than never!
Cheers,
-Roger
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Charley,
The guitar is a 1927 Supertone model #488. It is curly mahagony. The finish is original so the varnish is pretty dark. The figure in the wood is amazing, you can see more at this link:
http://www.guitar-museum.com/guitar-84969-Model-488
Hi Charley,
Yes there is a science in the box, seens the most travelers guitars play trebble sound without any basses
I develope this so it will have midtones and basses:
Hear here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo9laSb2AII
Thanks
Yaron Naor
Can you send me a link to this national tri-cone plectrum , 1930's..Reminiscent shape
Thanks
Yaron Naor
Thanks! I got it, wonderful instrument!
Have a good weekend, my friend
Yaron
Charlie -
I'm not aware of anything there muself
Frank
Aha! The smal tag picture! Well. A very old photo I picked up on the "net"! Someone made an invention to be able to play the guitar sitting down in the easy chair :-)
I am able , actually, to sit in a chair and play a regular guitar! Ha.
>Roger, I hope you'll not be bothered by receiving a
>personal message and questions from me!
Not at all :-)
>My curiosity might be pushing the parameters of what
>the readership might have patience for on frets.net.
>I always enjoy your contributions.
Well, I try to share my findings and don't hold anything secret. Sometimes I'm corrected by reality and further work on a subject or someone who actually knows better...
>I just, for the first time, visited your GammelGura page.
>The work you do is so impressive.
Thanks. I'm pretty intensive in what I do and wont give up until I've tried all my ideas that keeps popping up. Working with old guitars means that I have plenty of opportunities to test ideas and get a lot of before-and-after experience tweaking details in the construction.
>I always marvel at your depth of knowledge about guitar
>sound and intonation. So, in your proposal to explore volume
>versus sustain, you mentioned, in relation to the 26.6
>inch "American" scale Carlstedt that you are working on.
>In your assessments of sustain, are you using an electronic
>measuring method of some kind, to be scientific, or is
>your perception so acute that you feel able to sense
>the subtle variation? I imagine, from your posts, that
>you also have exceptional tonal perception.
Don't know about the exceptional tonal perception, but I have put many years and hours into listening to nuances of the sound of a guitar. Being pretty musical and blessed with good hearing. You can say that I have trained ears and lot of before-and-after experience. And no, I don't use electronic measuring. I probably should!
>Another subject is that I had a Google translation of the
>gammel page and it occurred to me to wonder if you machine
>translate for your posts here? I've been impressed with your
>literate command of English, and assumed it was your own.
>The web page translation is very sketchy on translating
>esoteric terminology, like for instance, handleboard and
>gripboard for, I assume, the fingerboard! So Im guessing
>your English is yours!
You are correct. And yes, the fretboard is named "greppbräda" in Swedish and a straight translation is in fact "gripboard". Computer translation used to be totally hilarious to read! Nowadays they are better. You can always get the basic idea of what is written, but the machines are bad at translating special words used in some narrow profession like luthiery.
>I have no Swedish, for which I apologize.
Swedish is a bit quirky at times, but not far away from English. Pretty much everyone in Sweden can read and write English to some degree, talking it is a bit harder. I used to be a computer programmer and I'm very used to read and write in English.
Just found this somewhere I didn't know existed...
>Roger, I hope you’ll not be be bothered by recieving a
>personal message and questions from me! My curiosity might
>be pushing the perameters of what the readership might have
>patience for on frets.net. I always enjoy your contributions. I just,
>for the first time, visited your GammelGura page. The work you do is
>so impressive. I always marvel at your depth of knowledge
>about guitar sound and intonation.
Thanks. Now you can read a real article about intonation and stuff published in the American Lutrherie #144,
>So, in your proposal to explore volume versus sustain, you mentioned, in relation
>to the 26.6 inch “American” scale Carlstedt that you are working on. In
>your assessments of sustain, are you using an electronic measuring
>method of some kind, to be scientific, or is your perception so acute
>that you feel able to sense the subtle variation? I imagine, from your
>posts, that you also have exceptional tonal perception.
Ha, ha. Yeah well. But I actually do think that I'm better than most after listening to hundreds of old parlors and also working with sound in my home studio. Working with eyes and ears, pictures or sounds, take years of experience before you can see or hear the small subtle nuances in, it's taking both time and effort to finally "get it". And no, I don't use scientific instruments to evaluate sound, the brain and ear system is so strange that actual physical measurements can't give useful values.
>Another subject is that I had a Google translation of the gammel page and
>it occured to me to wonder if you machine translate for your posts here?
>I’ve been impressed with your literate command of English, and assumed
>it was your own . The web page translation is very sketchy on
>translating esoteric terminology, like for instance, handleboard
>and gripboard for, I assume, the fingerboard! So I’m guessing your
>English is yours!
I write my own English. For a couple of years now I also correct the awful Swedish to English translations using an app for my blog page. NONE of the special guitar words came out correct in the translations ;-)
>I have no Swedish, for which I apologize.
That's OK.
Better late than never!
Cheers,
-Roger
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